The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

[Jeeqbit]

The people who say this will never bother explaining what they mean.

What they mean is that when they put the Japanese text into Google Translate, it's not the same as the English Localization.

But of course there is a reason for that. The Japanese version makes references to Japanese culture that we would not understand because of not being Japanese. The idea of referencing Japanese culture and history is to "create emotions" for the player to feel. So if you read a reference to Japanese culture and don't know what it refers to, then it doesn't evoke an emotion.

To solve this issue, localization teams try to refer to culture that the relevant language readers understand in order to evoke similar emotions that the writers were intending the player to feel. To make sure this is the case, they consult with the writers directly to make sure they are evoking the intended emotions and conveying it in the intended way and ask them multiple times in different ways to make sure they got it right, particularly for the MSQ.

[Incantus]

You are aware that this forum is a massive echo bubble right? The only people on here are a very small group of bored/unhappy players. And they few hoping for some community interactions but instead just sitting here facepalming.

I can tell considering I see the same people in pretty much every single thread, quite telling considering the numbers I see standing around me in the nexus arcade on my server alone outnumbers all the ones complaining here by a wide margin.

But I digress, people usually only get loud when they are unhappy, for as much as you dislike the story, the characters and so forth, just as many if not even more enjoyed themselves and are still enjoying themselves. They just have no real need to express that to others. We humans are generally like that mentally, we only get loud and obnoxious when we feel something is wrong.

It's why for example a vast majority of the human population go through life without ever knowing how appreciated they are, because people suck at speaking up about positives. It's apprently much more fun to complain.

[PorxiesRCute]

There have been multiple threads touching on the EN localization. Including how what's-her-face changed characters' perspectives in post 6.0 dialogue to give a stronger black and white depiction of Zodiark and Hydaelin compared to the JP, FR and GER scripts.

Did we play the same English localization? It went out of its way to show that both sides had a point. Zodiark and the Ascians were still "the bad guys" because they would have destroyed the world that we the players inhabit. That doesn't mean the merits of their argument weren't presented fairly. I mean, look how many Emet-Selch fans there are in the English fandom alone.

Calling the localization lead "what's-her-face" and pretending she wrote the whole script all by herself certainly doesn't make you look very normal, by the way.

[Derio]

I think a Meracydia expansion is a given at this point. Helping in the war effort, finding the last great dragon. The WOL being a hero again and giving SE a chance to truly introduce a new cast, new trusts, new updated jobs would be a great selling point.

Doing exploration content in 8.15 and front loading the expansion would be probably the biggest change to make. Like the OP I am also concerned because we saw a Huge failure in terms of job balance at the beginning of the expansion and that was with barely any changes to jobs.

Many people are expecting big changes to jobs and adjusting the 2 minute meta. That is copium. I think the best we can ask for is a better MSQ experience and a better patch cycle release in terms of content provided.

[Daralii]

Many people are expecting big changes to jobs and adjusting the 2 minute meta. That is copium. I think the best we can ask for is a better MSQ experience and a better patch cycle release in terms of content provided.

Considering Yoshida said more recently that he wants the main game's gameplay to be easily translatable to mobile, I very much doubt that 8.0's reworks will do anything people have been asking for. If anything, I'm expecting most of them to be brought to EW SMN's level.

[Lilapop]

That's mostly copium as well.

We know nothing is going to change in this expansion, so people hold out hope that 8.0 will finally bring that change, maybe because they always planned for that to happen or because it gets bad enough in the meantime that they have to emergency course correct.

"Any opinion I don't share is copium." Strange take.

Ironically, the actual copium sounds like they'd suddenly break their tested, tried, and true formula they've had since heavensward. But the day you'd acknowledge your own opinion as copium would be true Absurdity.

[Jeeqbit]

Considering Yoshida said more recently that he wants the main game's gameplay to be easily translatable to mobile, I very much doubt that 8.0's reworks will do anything people have been asking for. If anything, I'm expecting most of them to be brought to EW SMN's level.

Where did he say that?

From what I've seen of the mobile version though, it's better. Even its version of ARR has more abilities and although it could just be gear and getting used to it, the ifrit fight seemed a lot more fun than the striking dummy version we fight and that was just the normal version.

[Kranel_San]

• Very formulaic

You don't know how much formulaic FFXIV is until you realize that every major story arc since ShB has always concluded with a dungeon set in past memories of a major event that fueled the antagonist's ambition/plans (Amaurot, The Dead Ends, The Lunar Subterranean, Alexandria)

FFXIV is very formulaic beyond what one might even imagine, and this is a bad thing tbh.

[Hallarem]

I've been writing a lot on the forums, but I'll just say this on this thread.

The whole of Game of thrones was sullied any rewatchability because of how season 8 was rushed and butchered.
That is what happened to me and WoW over the years, they butchered the lore and worldbuilding so bad, along with the "story" that whatever they pump out now isn't going to undo things that they ruined within the lore.

Right now? FFXIV has some things like Dynamis and spaceships, getting rid of the Twelve in a haphazard way (if anyone found out in Eorzea that the gods were "fake" there would be a huge religious meltdown, compare it to what happened in Ishgard) and removing mysticism that are sloooowly edging towards that. But we aren't there yet.

8.0 CAN be mid storywise, the community isn't leaving anywhere and they will have a healthy population because there simply isnt anything else on the market aside from WoW. (lets be real here, sorry GW2 and Elder Scrolls online etc). But if the story, worldbuilding is ruined AND the gameplay is mid too? I have a feeling that its going to bite them hard.

But toning down my doomer for a moment, we still have patches left in Dawntrail. But sheesh, are they really going to leave the exploration in space (urgh) and Bozja/Eureka clone to the END of the expansion? A bit of a weird decision. If not straight up changes, they could AT LEAST communicate CLEAR ROADMAPS for us instead of vague interviews we have to fish out with a casual "please look forward to it" magic yoshi pr missile attached to it.

[Jeeqbit]

are they really going to leave the exploration in space (urgh) and Bozja/Eureka clone to the END of the expansion?

Precedent tells us that Shades' Triangle will be in 7.25 (which isn't the end of the expansion, more like 2/5ths of the way into it). Others may follow. I'm not sure how many, but at least one more will probably be in 7.55.

Precedent also tells us that Cosmic Exploration should release in either 7.1 or 7.2 - obviously only 7.2 remains. I'm expecting this one to receive a lot of updates since the point seems to be to explore lots of different worlds.