Maybe it's time for a casual "strike" if not complete departure.

[Mawlzy]

I actually agree that casuals have got nothing, but that's because this community is as silent as can be, on every kind of issue actually, the community is the problem.

I wouldn't call it silent, exactly. It may lack tenacity, but I'd suggest that's because feedback doesn't seem to do anything.

We had a massive thread on everything that was wrong with Frontline prior to 7.1. Obviously a lot of noise, but also many sensible suggestions to make the mode more enjoyable. When the full patch notes came out, we found we'd been ignored, and given sweeping changes that nobody had asked for (that don't even accomplish what the devs claim they do).

This is probably why we end up arguing with each other.

[Clockworks]

I wouldn't call it silent, exactly. It may lack tenacity, but I'd suggest that's because feedback doesn't seem to do anything.

We had a massive thread on everything that was wrong with Frontline prior to 7.1. Obviously a lot of noise, but also many sensible suggestions to make the mode more enjoyable. When the full patch notes came out, we found we'd been ignored, and given sweeping changes that nobody had asked for (that don't even accomplish what the devs claim they do).

This is probably why we end up arguing with each other.

I do think that is true actually yeah, and that is also a massive problem, the community is just full of yes men regarding what SE does, SE as a whole genuinely never gets held accountable for anything FFXIV because the community would rather fight itself from within, added to the fact that they dont listen at all (because truly, they dont have to because of what I just mentioned) it's bound to eventually fail.

[Gurgeh]

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Well your discussing something different. Nearly all of which I basically agree with, except it being the community's fault.

XIVs humans aren't genetically superior. Nor are their cultural upbringing and norms. XIVs strengths used to be that they did things to reward and encourage positive behaviour, and they created a melting pot. 'Lalas' to filter people with fragile masculine egos. Not so much horrific FOMO and more drop rates that creates 'perform or GTFO!' toxicity. 'Some' homogenising of jobs and low barriers to job switching, that avoids creating "your face/job' isn't welcome, leave" toxicity.
A whole wealth of different personality types to mix together to braoden people's outlooks, and prevent any one mindset becoming 'too' domineering.

It was the game that takes credit. (People are people)
It's about good leadership.
Creative III used to provide great leadership, but it no longer does.
And CHAOTIC, and it's tone deafness, is perhaps the ultimate example of where that leadership had been poor. It's driven a huge wedge into the community.

It is not the communities fault. People are people.
It's time for Creative III to muster up good leadership, and restart some 'virtuous circles'.

[IceEyes]

When the full patch notes came out, we found we'd been ignored, and given sweeping changes that nobody had asked for

That's calling "excel table moment", when from devs words: "we have a full image of situation, what justified on statistics X".

Based on their statistics and databases, they make decisions. You can even read their patch notes, which usually say...
"This job doesn't do a good enough and have a low win rate, so we're buffing it".

It feels like you're reading a patch for a MOBA.

The developer, in principle, rarely listens to the opinions of the players (with rare exceptions).

This can apply to the development of any content, not just PvP, and not only in FF14.

They see that hardcore content is in demand among hardcore raiders and continue to release it regularly. At the same time, they failed the most basic casual content (MSQ), but it has already been released, it cannot be “fixed” in a short time.

If for some reason a society is quiet or does not create enough noise, then everything suits it. In our situation, most hardcore raiders are happy with everything.

[xbahax92]

I never thought I’d hear my friends complain about a lack of content in FFXIV. They’ve been subscribed for as long as I’ve known them, but it’s finally happening.

I’ve tried Savage and even the new chaotic alliance raid, but I simply don’t have the time to dedicate countless hours to it.
Extreme content is probably as far as I’ll go, and that’s fine. Still, I wish there were more content designed for unwinding and playing at your own pace.
Endwalker struggled in that regard. Island Sanctuary was supposed to fill that niche, but it lacked creativity, and its design choices felt so limited. This game isn’t meant to be a farming simulator, after all.

I also agree with most of the comments I’ve seen—it’s not just about the type of content but the timing of its release that feels off.

[Sifpatata]

I actually agree that casuals have got nothing, but that's because this community is as silent as can be, on every kind of issue actually, the community is the problem.

Congestion issues that dont exist (Proven by player numbers) ? A 20 pages thread, nothing else, yet people are barred from visiting aether at any time of the day that isnt 2 AM basically, yet the game is in pretty heavy decline, so one can wonder where is this so called congestion, but I guess it helps them to pretend that the game is "booming with players" since some people fall for it, just like the log in queues, most people think it's because the server is actually full, while the reality is that it logs people in batches to not "overload" (lol) the servers.

Mediocre graphical update ? Same thing, people eventually got silent and moved on, yet we have areas like the sea of clouds that are still to this day ruined by a heavy thick fog that makes the sunset the ugliest thing ever.

Character model issues ? People eventually got quiet over those too after a tiny bit of time, and now it's pretty much been forgotten.

Housing issues ? A housing forum that is barely used if at all with one post every few days, yet we are still limited at 30 wards per area per server for... reasons, oh wait, that's because they dont want to fix it since they are racking in the sub money by making people scared if they dare come back one day they'll have to bid for 5 years before maybe getting a large.

This is the same thing with every single issue in this game, people are silent, barely anyone says anything, and even if you dare say something, you get hit by what I call the FFXIV defense squad, "YES WOW IS WORSE !!!" "JUST GO PLAY WOW !!" "TALK FOR YOURSELF I LOVE X, THE MAJORITY DOES !!"

This community will be this game's downfall, and it will only be able to blame itself for letting it happen.

Yes, in the end if ffxiv is going to die it will be because of those people, you can't criticize dawntrail without being called bigot, transphobic, etcetera.

[Voidmage]

Character model issues ? People eventually got quiet over those too after a tiny bit of time, and now it's pretty much been forgotten.

I agree with the whole thing about the community defending quite a number of things but imo not this.
We litteraly got an update in 7.1 on eyelashes.
Yes not everyone is happy with it or the update (and I can understand them and this is not me trying to undersell their worries) but saying that the whole thing is forgotten despite it probably being one of the few things right now to recieve regular updates?
If anything I have never seen the devs responding to feedback this fast with even giving out free fantasias.
And I say that as someone who was dissapointed that we didn't get the eyes from the original benchmark.

[Lilapop]

It's literally what this thread is about.

I don't think you got that right.

[Lilapop]

The developer, in principle, rarely listens to the opinions of the players (with rare exceptions).

In all fairness, "the players" rarely know what they want and will complain even if they're listened to.

[DPZ2]

Yes, in the end if ffxiv is going to die it will be because of those people, you can't criticize dawntrail without being called bigot, transphobic, etcetera.

Really? Someone called you transphobic? What did you write that caused this reaction?

I've read plenty of complaints and criticisms over the last 6 months, and none of the ones that stood out for me ended up with someone being called a "bigot, transphobic, etcetera."

The only thing I can vaguely remember was something about voice acting. Which I haven't found to be a problem in this game, except I preferred the original English-speaking talent of A Realm Reborn. I got used to the new talent after about six months of Heavensward.