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    AntoniusQuil's Avatar
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    Antonius Bnuuy
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Volgia View Post
    Just put this logic to any other game. Let's say in Elden Ring you want the Valkyrie set but you cannot beat Malenia, even with friends. You complain loudly on a forum that this optional superboss is too hard and you really want those rewards, then say that people who cannot beat superbosses get scraps. Except FF14 has you, if you can't beat her, but you want her rewards you can grind in-game money and pay for it in gil. So you're not "getting scraps", you have another way of getting them.



    TBH I'm not sure what you're talking about. There's the "hardcore" way of getting it (grinding the Chaotic) and there's the "casual" way of getting it (Paying for it in Gil). So you're not being gatekept out of anything

    1. There comes in the big difference between mmos and other games. In Elden Ring you have so many ways to turn Malenia into casual fight : over levelling, spirit ashes, player summonig - some players even do the fight by themselves for their summoners, in the end pretty much everyone is able to beat her without being forced to spent hours or days on learning the fight and being able to play on the high skill level. (Not to even mention games which simply have difficulty settings)

    In MMOs on the other hand due to stuff item level sync and other stuff, the only way available for a casual player to get the rewards from hardcore content is to stop being casual and learn to play on the hardcore content level

    2. Making the hair style and one mount from chaotic sellable is actually a move in the good direction I’m really happy about. I’m talking about general hardcore vs casual discussion where before chaotic whenever I’ve seen anyone propose making hardcore rewards sellable, it always brought up lots of complaints from hardcore players saying that it will cheapen the rewards and that casual should simply “git gud”
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    Menriq's Avatar
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    Meridia Astra
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    Maduin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AntoniusQuil View Post
    the only way available for a casual player to get the rewards from hardcore content is to stop being casual and learn to play on the hardcore content level
    Most of what is considered hardcore can be unsynced in 14. I know in WoW, you just simply outgear / out level previous expansions. Can't really speak to other MMO's.
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