Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[hydralus]

I can't tell if you're serious or not. But sure, I'll break down why this is objectively wrong.

First, the option is there. Not everyone will use it, as in your own words it is an option, implying there are other things too.

If the option isn't there, then even fewer people will use it. The fact that there are several people crying about being unable to use it because it's too costly/hard to get is evidence that more people would wear it, IF THEY COULD. However, they can't, which means the people who have worked for it will probably enjoy having a hairstyle that not everyone can get (hence, unique).

[Kaurhz]

If the option isn't there, then even fewer people will use it. The fact that there are several people crying about being unable to use it because it's too costly/hard to get is evidence that more people would wear it, IF THEY COULD. However, they can't, which means the people who have worked for it will probably enjoy having a hairstyle that not everyone can get (hence, unique).

You’re making the fundamental mistake of assuming that people complaining, are doing so because they actually want the hairstyle, several people have issue with it in the basis of principle and expressed concerns with long-term rewards behind content with low shelf life. This does not mean they would necessarily want this specific hairstyle. If I wanted it, I would already have it and would already be wearing it. But it isn’t my style and nor do I find it cute. This isn’t 2013 with all the miqo’te Lightning hair enjoyers anymore. People will use what they want and which suits their character, not what a random forum user tells them is cutest new fad cuz flowers.

[Supersnow845]

You’re making the fundamental mistake of assuming that people complaining, are doing so because they actually want the hairstyle, several people have issue with it in the basis of principle and expressed concerns with long-term rewards behind content with low shelf life. This does not mean they would necessarily want this specific hairstyle. If I wanted it, I would already have it and would already be wearing it. But it isn’t my style and nor do I find it cute. This isn’t 2013 with all the miqo’te Lightning hair enjoyers anymore.

You also can’t deny there is a large group of people in this thread who are basing their problems on this reward structure around the idea that the hairstyle “feels like” it should be something that is obtained from a casual gameplay mode

[Kaurhz]

You also can’t deny there is a large group of people in this thread who are basing their problems on this reward structure around the idea that the hairstyle “feels like” it should be something that is obtained from a casual gameplay mode

As far as I am concerned whilst I would prefer all hairstyles be default, due to this games sheer limitation and creative bankruptcy. But if they are at least going to follow this precedent, then the content they place it behind should at least have a decent shelf lif, regardless of whether that’s through casual content, or more difficult content with some teeth, or a long term grind that people engage wit, or a combination of several points.

EDIT: what people think is ultimately their prerogative, I could say the same about certain threads.. can you really be surprised with this reception when OP essentially went on a rant about the quality of players in 24-man alongside several other people, just to then make a thread about how “entitled” casual players are when they state why it is an issue…?

[Supersnow845]

As far as I am concerned whilst I would prefer all hairstyles be default, due to this games sheer limitation and creative bankruptcy. But if they are at least going to follow this precedent, then the content they place it behind should at least have a decent shelf lif, regardless of whether that’s through casual content, or more difficult content with some teeth, or a long term grind that people engage wit, or a combination of several points.

That’s YOUR point and your point is well constructed and valid

But the point you responded to the above person implies everyone here holds your nuanced opinion not just what a good chunk of the thread is doing which is arguing it shouldn’t be savage based on personal vibes which is different

I don’t disagree with your opinion, but I disagree with the general sentiment of “it shouldn’t be savage” “why?” “Because I want it”

[Kaurhz]

That’s YOUR point and your point is well constructed and valid

But the point you responded to the above person implies everyone here holds your nuanced opinion not just what a good chunk of the thread is doing which is arguing it shouldn’t be savage based on personal vibes which is different

I don’t disagree with your opinion, but I disagree with the general sentiment of “it shouldn’t be savage” “why?” “Because I want it”

No, the post I made implies that not everyone has the same universal thought process when they complain and why they complain. I even stated that it was ‘several’ not all. So I am not sure where you’re getting the implication that I feel everyone holds my nuanced opinion

[Mawlzy]

That’s YOUR point and your point is well constructed and valid

But the point you responded to the above person implies everyone here holds your nuanced opinion not just what a good chunk of the thread is doing which is arguing it shouldn’t be savage based on personal vibes which is different

I don’t disagree with your opinion, but I disagree with the general sentiment of “it shouldn’t be savage” “why?” “Because I want it”

I agree that there really isn't an objective way to decide where rewards go, and also that many people are miffed it is in savage because they don't do savage. That said, there is a broader context which I'd suggest makes it a poor decision to put it in savage.

1. Patch cycles are front-loaded with high-end content. Casuals are thus feeling neglected.
2. One of the most-requested additions for years have been more long hairstyles.
3. The hairstyle has no thematic link with the raid.
4. A perception (possibly false) that cosmetics are held in higher esteem by casuals than raiders.

We can create reverse-scenario analogies. It would be puzzling, for example, if being rewarded with BiS required you to catch all the rare animals on Sanctuary Island.

Place all this in the broader context of an uninspiring story, really miserable society quests, and the narrative that SE is pandering to hardcore players, and this reaction was completely predictable. Casual players -- the largest sub-group in the player base -- are feeling unloved, and are complaining as a result.

And yes, I recognize it can be bought on the MB and that mitigates the above somewhat. Honestly, the only way any of my characters would wear it is if they accidentally got transported to Haight-Ashbury c. 1968. I can almost smell the patchouli.

[Immut]

Well, casuals neglect the game, so why shouldn't the game neglect casuals in return?

[Mawlzy]

Well, casuals neglect the game, so why shouldn't the game neglect casuals in return?

Eh? You mean they don't engage in high-end combat? I guess you've determined through deep brain-thinking the correct way a multi-faceted game should be played by everyone. Interesting.

I can't speak for the emotions felt by the game, obviously, but I'd assume the game feels sufficiently loved if the monthly sub is paid.

And well done, your contribution is widening the chasm!

[Supersnow845]

I agree that there really isn't an objective way to decide where rewards go, and also that many people are miffed it is in savage because they don't do savage. That said, there is a broader context which I'd suggest makes it a poor decision to put it in savage.

1. Patch cycles are front-loaded with high-end content. Casuals are thus feeling neglected.
2. One of the most-requested additions for years have been more long hairstyles.
3. The hairstyle has no thematic link with the raid.
4. A perception (possibly false) that cosmetics are held in higher esteem by casuals than raiders.

We can create reverse-scenario analogies. It would be puzzling, for example, if being rewarded with BiS required you to catch all the rare animals on Sanctuary Island.

Place all this in the broader context of an uninspiring story, really miserable society quests, and the narrative that SE is pandering to hardcore players, and this reaction was completely predictable. Casual players -- the largest sub-group in the player base -- are feeling unloved, and are complaining as a result.

And yes, I recognize it can be bought on the MB and that mitigates the above somewhat. Honestly, the only way any of my characters would wear it is if they accidentally got transported to Haight-Ashbury c. 1968. I can almost smell the patchouli.

See this is where the problem is coming from

1) conflation of 2 points in this thread. Casual content being under-offered this expansion is not the same thing as saying “if you both aren’t willing to try CAR or buy it you shouldn’t feel entitled to it”. I fully agree that casual content is pathetic this expansion but that’s got near nothing to do with the idea that if you aren’t willing to go for a rare item in various ways you shouldn’t feel entitled to it. Is there an argument the hair shouldn’t have been a savage reward; yes I’d say there is. But in the context of the fact it is one if you won’t try one of the two avenues to get it then that’s more a personal problem

2) the reward is no more “casual” than it is “hardcore”. You specifically use the analogy “what if BIS was locked behind IS” directly implying that this is a casual reward locked behind high end as your analogy is the reverse. What makes this a “casual” reward? How do you determine what rewards low effort casual only players intrinsically have the right to? What if this reward was instead say a reward for 10/10/10 in Bozja. That’s all casual content but it’s a long grind people wouldn’t like. How do you determine as a playerbase wide arrangement of who is intrinsically entitled to what based on what content. It feels like most of these complaints are proxy complaints for lack of content