Chaotic Alliance party finder toxicity

[Saraide]

Thanks to the PF leaders in question chiming in to tell their part of the story. Who would have guessed that a person who doesnt even understand phase 1 mechnics isnt going to thrive in a farm party.

[sindriiisgaming]

This post include my party so im responding.

We setup ilvl 730. looting only farm.
We was there today 10 hours in row..we did 20kills (we dont needed kick people, if someone leaved new joined - killed and again again..). Thats how farm party should be.
It tends to people didnt wanted to leave our group. If they must, then joined back later, because it was worth it and it was actualy FARM NOT MEME.

Meanwhile I obtained whisper from person who started this tread: very angry explained that how I can setup ilvl 730 because healers dont have 730 best in slot..
Im sorry, but who will teach you the fight..when HC players need theyr kills first to stay calm and actualy wanted start to help newcomers...?

Dude you can be sure the Light Chaotic Raid comunity know who you are and I am not the only one whom you whispered. Because you have absolutely no idea how this content works..

730 level is completely ridiculous when it's not even healer bis it just seams like a completely desperate way if gatekeeping a fight and while it's ur perogative it's not going to prevent ppl from getting wiped so it's not even productive.

As for " light chaotic community know who you are" this is The exact kind of toxicity I'm talking about. Yes I dm-d people with blatantly ridiculous pf restriction like 10+ clear on fflogs when ps5 users can't even log. This fight doesn't need to be turned into ultimate entry level. If I get a rep for trying to combat pf insanity then so be it there is simply no need for this crazy toxicity

[sindriiisgaming]

I'm the person that kicked you out. I told you its nothing personal.
There's nothing toxic about it. I set up PF post what I was looking for and what everyone else can expect from it.

Why I do this? Because people with 10 clears are more likely to be more consistent and have some good understanding of the mechanics and are less likely to fuck up and wipe the party causing everyone to lose 10 minutes. I want MY parties to go more smoothly and this method works better than just letting everyone in. If you want to let everyone IN or help other players get the clear make your own party with your own rules.

Want to blame someone blame Square Enix for making casual content braindead easy to the point the average player can't even do simple spreads, stacks and towers that are required in this new content. It's unfortunate that we have to resort to this sort of "walling" but if the average player got challenged more often this wouldn't be an issue.

Yes u were one of the people who removed me because my fflogs did not show that I had 10 clears when I told you I had 20 of both kinds of demimateria in my inventory. You also asked me to prove I wasn't using fflogs to count my clears to draw attention away from that you Were because u didn't want reported for checking logs. You still have absolutely no proof I was lying and gatekeeping ur party behind fflogs is not going to stop idiots when it's really easy to make mistakes on this fight and kill eachother. The bar for getting kicked has gone so low u simply need to have low amount of clears when as far as devs and game masters are concerned one is enough.

Don't get me wrong I absolutely blame se for enabling this toxicity but you telling me I was lying, forcing the burden of proof on me and then blacklisting me when I offered to prove it to you because u were so afraid the 9 cleared person was a trapper is absolutely on YOU

[CVXIV]

thanks for the entertainment
happy heavensturn

[Collin_Sky]

730 level is completely ridiculous when it's not even healer bis

Healer BiS is now 730 with Chaotic raid gear. It's a completely reasonable expectation in a duty complete farm party.

[sindriiisgaming]

Thanks to the PF leaders in question chiming in to tell their part of the story. Who would have guessed that a person who doesnt even understand phase 1 mechnics isnt going to thrive in a farm party.

If you are referring to me then I'm confused. Nobody made such a claim and I have like 15 clears now and still going. There are runs uploaded by people that even show completely clean p1 from myself the entire group. The leaders of the pfs in question only chimed in to justify there requirements

[Collin_Sky]

There are runs uploaded by people that even show completely clean p1 from myself the entire group.

Which one would that be? Because I've checked them all and you make (multiple) mistakes in every single one. You have a median of 3%, and a maximum of 8%. Even ignoring mistakes in the fight's mechanics, a cursory look at xivanalysis shows you make many fundamental mistakes on GNB, which is the only job you have recorded kills on.

[sindriiisgaming]

Which one would that be? Because I've checked them all and you make (multiple) mistakes in every single one. You have a median of 3%, and a maximum of 8%.

That's not mistakes, those are dps stats I'm just a trash gnb player. This is the case everywhere I play it. I is not my main class and i only play it to get easier ques
Dps =/= mecanic execution

Again I firmly disagree here that low dps is griefing because I have never not cleared from dps and the game isn't trying to enforce I do this much dps to enter the raid. I am not not "being avoided" u need to explain where u got that from. I also do not believe that failing mecanics is "griefing" because then everyone who ever makes mistakes in life is griefing everyone else and this is not how life works. I don't care that it's ur sub ur not entitled to belittle and bully people because of your perceived entitlement to a certain experience in pug content

[Collin_Sky]

That's not mistakes I'm just a trash gnb player. This is the case everywhere I play it. Dps =/= mecanic execution

If you're admittedly trash at the job, then it's absolutely not toxic to avoid you in farm parties. You're practically griefing by playing a job you know you're bad on, in savage level content.

And no I do not believe low dps is griefing because the dps checks are very lenient

Many of the clears I've had have gone to enrage due to the sheer number of mistakes people in the raid make, due to its design. One could argue that the raid should aim to squeeze as much DPS as possible to counter this compounding effect of mistakes.
Aside from that fact, I (and many others) do consider playing a job you know you're bad at to be griefing in content of this level, regardless of whether the DPS makes a difference or not. This isn't a levelling dungeon. This is difficult (depending on your definition) end game content.

[BigCheez]

Expecting people to be at the advertised prog point for the party or to be able to farm the fight in a farm party isn't toxic. Taking a party hostage by joining ahead of your prog point and forcing them to work for your progression and forgo their own is toxic. 10 clears to join is crazy but people do this kind of thing because they need a way to filter out bad actors in PF. If you don't like how someone is running their PF, join a different one or make your own. At the end of the day, it's up to them how they want to run their party.

PF would be a much nicer environment if people were more respectful of other people's time. Your prog point is not the furthest point that you've seen in a fight. Your prog point is the furthest point that you can get to reliably without making any major mistakes. Everyone starts somewhere and it's okay to make mistakes in progression but people need to practice the mechanics that they can't resolve reliably instead of trying to skip past them.