Don't do chaotic raid again

[LibitIncarne]

There is also teamcraft that can either give you rotations, or let you play with trailing without using foot and pots.

Raphael is better: https://www.raphael-xiv.com/

[Infindox]

It will probably be a much better experience via those Discord servers than it would through PF though.

This leads to the fact there should not be content that forces you on Discord to clear it, and should only be for people who need to use it to communicate with their party in statics for Savage/Ultimate raids. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that.

[Toutatis]

This leads to the fact there should not be content that forces you on Discord to clear it, and should only be for people who need to use it to communicate with their party in statics for Savage/Ultimate raids. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that.

Sadly, when you join a pf group in this game, people will very often just stay silent, put markers down to form LP, partners and such and then start pulling. If the group wipes, they pull again and again leaving no time to explain anything in between pulls, leading to the same mistakes being made over and over until people start leaving (there is no point to stay in such conditions…the only option is to find a better group and it’s the pf waiting game with the risk of finding another similar group). Some mistakes would be easy to fix with a minimum of communication and progress would be faster.

[MisterNublet]

At best discord may help in the way collecting small groups for things like MINE savage from ARR and HW but that’s basically just advertising on PF by a different name

Clearing Chaotic through discord is going to be inevitable. PF is full of inconsiderate players, limsa-afkers, prog-traps, and trolls.

Discord will be able to ban those players from the server/community, allowing 24 players to have a better experience.

This is both the fault of CBU3 and the playerbase. CBU3 for allowing players who's hardest content clears are msq dungeons to enter Chaotic, and the playerbase who are mainly leechers hoping 23 other players will carry them across the finish line so they can roll on the hair design.

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

I honestly cannot wait until we have this very same discussion but the other way around, when BIS gear will be locked behind cosmic exploration or whatever the hell it was.
Oh it will be glorious.

(probably wont happen but you all gotta admit it would be funny as hell)

Also, didn YoshiP told us, that discord is technically a 3rd party program? And people straight up making it a requirement for runs and advertising it on the forums? D:

On a serious note tho, genuinely believe that this content will be dead by mid january at best. Such wasted dev time.

[Infindox]

Sadly, when you join a pf group in this game, people will very often just stay silent, put markers down to form LP, partners and such and then start pulling. If the group wipes, they pull again and again leaving no time to explain anything in between pulls, leading to the same mistakes being made over and over until people start leaving (there is no point to stay in such conditions…the only option is to find a better group and it’s the pf waiting game with the risk of finding another similar group). Some mistakes would be easy to fix with a minimum of communication and progress would be faster.

I should say I'm fine if you join a PF and they ask "can you hop on this server? We want to discuss strategies". That's more then fair. (Not always ideal with people who don't like being in places like that but I get it) But having to go to servers to find players that will run content otherwise you're SOL is not great.

[Kaurhz]

I honestly cannot wait until we have this very same discussion but the other way around, when BIS gear will be locked behind cosmic exploration or whatever the hell it was.
Oh it will be glorious.

(probably wont happen but you all gotta admit it would be funny as hell)

Also, didn YoshiP told us, that discord is technically a 3rd party program? And people straight up making it a requirement for runs and advertising it on the forums? D:

On a serious note tho, genuinely believe that this content will be dead by mid january at best. Such wasted dev time.

To be honest people have been doing this for years. I didn't very much like his view of what a third-party program is, it feels like he took it far, far too literally instead of trying to actually look at the spirit of the issue. But alas he's the producer and director so...

I don't think it's wasted dev time, but like 90% of things they implement in this game.. It's half-done. Chaotic should've had 2 tiers behind it really as opposed to the singular, that way you're still introducing people to that content instead of throwing them straight in and then the community coming up with their own rules. - If it isn't 1 thing with this team then it's another.

[Lilapop]

I don't see why anyone new to raiding would do this over just doing m1s

Many reasons? Some people like raids with more bodies? (DRS, DLL, DR, Castrum, BA, Alliance Raids etc.) for one.

[MisterNublet]

On a serious note tho, genuinely believe that this content will be dead by mid january at best. Such wasted dev time.

Dead in PF, "alive" in discord like how BA and DRS are.

Also, not really much of a waste of dev resources since everything in the fight is reused models and mechanics. Probably took an intern a whole weekend to throw together.

[Lilapop]

1) you can craft your own gear, it isn’t hard and doesn’t take that long to gear up one class
2) Gil is worthless in this game, run your daily’s need or greed on everything and sell the seal products and you can basically pay for crafted gear alone let alone the 1049591060295&1$ other methods of obtaining Gil

Excessive savage release over casual content is fair enough but delaying savage for near two months to allow someone who plays 1 hour per month to gear up is just pointless and further renders the crafters useless

You lost me at "Excessive savage release over casual content is fair enough." How is this fair enough? Who is this fair for?