Starlight Celebration 2024

[Mr_Gyactus]

Oh no no no, MY BAD. There apparently was one in 2018............almost 7 years ago..........and it's another cash shop item.

I guess to answer your question what I found out was that this cash grab bs sucks, albeit I guess sucks slightly less with this insanely newfound discovery.

Good job mate, you got me.

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.
If you were doing something else... well not that someone cares.

Years might be off or whatever but the point still stands and it pisses me off too. Or they'll give us, like, an outdoor tree. Cool. Most of the community doesn't own a house and can't make use of outdoor furniture, but alright. Anyway, yeah, it's obvious why they do this and they're not gonna stop. It's grimy as hell. It's free2play levels of grime. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from like, maplestory in 2005 or something. We are all getting a worse game, so that they can monetize solutions. It's the MO of free to play games, but in a buy to play game with a subscription. And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".
WoW has a subscription: this year too in Ironforge there will be the same santa claus who will give the same useless gifts and you will be able to do the same quest for two christmas tree shaped daggers.
Other games with mixed are worse: HEAVY FARM or pay money (often with a RNG element)

Any method is driven by profit, therefore:


What do you prefer?

[Avoidy]

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.
If you were doing something else... well not that someone cares.



FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".
WoW has a subscription: this year too in Ironforge there will be the same santa claus who will give the same useless gifts and you will be able to do the same quest for two christmas tree shaped daggers.
Other games with mixed are worse: HEAVY FARM or pay money (often with a RNG element)

Any method is driven by profit, therefore:


What do you prefer?

I was actually replying to your original post but then I saw the edit. Guy you're talking to initially is upset about indoor trees, like the kind most people expect to decorate with during the holiday season. Outdoor trees can't be used by most people since they require a house with a front yard, but an indoor tree can be used by apartment owners as well. The last time an indoor tree was released was several years go.

The rest of your post, honestly my guy I don't care that other games are greedy as well. I don't play those games. I won't play this one soon either though; I removed my credit card from my account and after this month I'll be gone. "What do you prefer?" lmao, at this point I'm enjoying amateur-run private servers for games that dropped like 20 years ago. This game combines the worst of every monetization model except rng gacha-slop/season pass stuff (but who knows, the phone game's coming and we might see some of that rub off in the pc game) and you're out here celebrating because we're "better than wow," or because it "could be worse." Happy for you.

[Ephremjlm]

No, the last tree is 2 years ago, ALMOST 2 years ago.

Now I got you.

I can't tell if you're trolling or serious. I'm pretty sure I specifically said a christmas tree. Why does external house items matter? Because if you were to poll people you'd see the MOST people in the game DON'T actually own a house, but instead an apartment, or a room in a fc.

Why would I ever care about holiday items that a small percentage of the player base can even use.

I think you need to worry about your own internal thought analysis before trying to get anyone else buddy.

[Ephremjlm]

FF14 has its rules; in this case the rule is "we create new event items every year, but those from previous years go to the store".

Isn't this counterintuitive to what Yoshi P. boasts about the game not having FOMO? Isn't it counteractive to what Yoshi P. says about telling you to go play other games and unsub?(not even going into housing) Isn't the holiday stuff being what our sub dollars apparently go to in terms of "constant updates", and isn't this the excuse that Yoshi P. gives when questioned where our sub dollars go and what constant content is being developed?

If you can't in good faith answer yes to any of these then your answers are BS because you can't have it both ways. And ngl its super annoying when people stoke the game like it can do no wrong when they are literally double dipping on selling us low effort content and subsidizing the costs on previous subs. If you can't see that and the reason why it's upsetting to people then maybe you need to touch grass.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Isn't this counterintuitive to what Yoshi P. boasts about the game not having FOMO? Isn't it counteractive to what Yoshi P. says about telling you to go play other games and unsub?(not even going into housing) Isn't the holiday stuff being what our sub dollars apparently go to in terms of "constant updates", and isn't this the excuse that Yoshi P. gives when questioned where our sub dollars go and what constant content is being developed?

If you can't in good faith answer yes to any of these then your answers are BS because you can't have it both ways. And ngl its super annoying when people stoke the game like it can do no wrong when they are literally double dipping on selling us low effort content and subsidizing the costs on previous subs. If you can't see that and the reason why it's upsetting to people then maybe you need to touch grass.

First: what I answer in good faith or not depends only on me. Don't play with me with syllogisms, because I studied Aristotle enough to avoid this kind of traps.

Yoshida said "don't stress yourself too much about a game", with an implicit reference to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori .
Unfortunately hikikomori are A LOT in Japan, they are increasing and they are increasing outside of Japan too (USA and Europe).
MMORPGs bring together many types of people, and some need help, sometime a little push is enough.
So no, what Yoshida said is unrelated to what a subscription should or should not give.

That said, I understand your point of view, when in 2015 SE removed the previous items I had similar ideas about it, and I certainly don't like opening my wallet every time I lose a furniture, but if you think SE (or any SH company) is not driven by profit you are blatantly wrong.

I saw the alternatives in other games and personally I found them worse.
Know that on the 12th I will have to start 20 days of daily grinding (around 80 hours total) in another mmo or take out 40-60 dollars.
In ff14 I expect to close things in less than 1 hour (I don't think this time there is only to talk talk, but knows...).

While we wait for a non-profit organization to create an MMO, what do you prefer?

[PaulusHamsteru]

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Ngl, most of your posts in this thread come off as really aggresive for no reason. Go outside, broski, take a break from the game.

[Ephremjlm]

Don't play with me with syllogisms, because I studied Aristotle enough....
...Yoshida said "don't stress yourself too much about a game", with an implicit reference to the [URL] ............

....but if you think SE (or any SH company) is not driven by profit you are blatantly wrong...

...I saw the alternatives in other games and personally I found them worse....

...what do you prefer?

(1) I took philosophy 101 in community college too, its not that deep, its just recognizing bias and hypocrisy.

(2) You pulled ONE quote from Yoshi P on a topic he and his team have spoken about so many times that there is literally no need cite a source because everyone knows it. Trying to pull a single quote and frame it like it is the only one and the gospel reference doesn't work in this instance. Its still hypocritical and I completely stand by what I said. You can't have both arguments. And the hikikomori argument doesn't work globally, and again in Yoshi P's own words the game is globally focused now. The most popular games are those where people are competitive and actively berate eachother. And honestly for those people who are more socially awkward the game has Trusts, so i think that issue is solving itself. Those people aren't the majority anyways, especially if they are signing up for what is supposed to be an massively MULTIPLAYER game.

(3) Believe me I have no misconception that SE is a corporation first and a game developer/publisher second. I also know for a fact that as much as Yoshi P. says he cares about the gamers first, his actions tell that profits are actually his number 1, I think he's just smarter, and more clever when it comes to toting the line.

(4) You saying you have seen alternatives doesn't really communicate to me anything. That could mean Genshin, OSRS, Habbo Hotel, GW2 etc. That argument comes down to gaming preference in which I have no gripes over someones preferences. FF14 is always going to cater to the highest number of people they can get and then slowly see how much they can get away with to maximize profits. There's no point in sugarcoating it. That said, if you've read the old forums, offsite forums from back then, and if you have followed game development recently, then there has been a somewhat successful trend of holding these companies feet to the fire. We pay their salaries. If our arguments don't have support, oh well. If instead our criticisms we raise have validity, and others feel the same (which it looks like at least a decent chunk of player do, whether or not the number is high enough for SE to care idk) then it makes clearly speaking our peace important so that other players can attest, and devs have the opportunity to improve things now, or in the future. Combating people with valid criticisms is weird unless you feel like it is actively destroying something about the game that you love.

[Ephremjlm]

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And tbh I have plenty of games I can play, but the difference it sounds like between us is that I like having things to constantly come back and do in FF14 and I actively want to be here because I know how good it can be when the team has implemented good content. I don't think games feel good when that have you do menial basic tasks and then give you a giant congratulations pop up on screen. It makes me actually feel like im wasting my time. And I have played and still play other MMO's which don't have that problem. And its not like all I do is play games, im just not obsessed with "end game". I think games should start at level one, and I feel like most good ones do. But to each their own on that part.