Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[Kabooa]

Goal:

Frankly I think Motifs in uptime need to be able to be painted faster. Give a purpose to White/Black Paint and have it so Holy and Meteor provide a unique but stacking buff that each reduce cast time / recast of Motifs by 25%. "Prepping the canvas" so to speak.

With this you're able to safely siphon away potency from Motifs and reallocate it as necessary into the filler combo without worrying about hitting their full uptime too badly. It does not make downtime painting better, but makes uptime painting less penalized.

[Valence]

If the motifs generated resources within the aetherhue combos that would reduce a lot of the flexibility of the job because it would basically be required to say always paint a creature part before moving into a reversed combo

MCH could benefit from PCT’s design honestly if the tools had more stacks (now that drill drift as a skill check is dead) and more internal interaction similar to how every muse plays into the optimal starry window

You could still store a crapload of holy/comets like you can right now, but I do see your point. Perhaps you could have an already existing ability giving you some of those for free especially to help with the start of the fight, or after specific shenanigans or downtime. Either way, perhaps it's not good, perhaps it is, but I still do think that is the way to make it fit into the mold, else they can also well... make every job in the game behave like PCT with strong downtime tools (and probably trivialize every already existing encounter ever in the process). But I do believe that having some parts of a toolkit, especially important ones that are strong like motifs, not interacting with the rest of the kit, is... not great. I've seen it on MCH and even on MCH some of them somewhat do with battery (which is bland and boring but they do).

Or you know, just kick over the whole battle system and start from scratch but that's 8.0 talk and it's not gonna happen anyway.

[VerySadDRG]

The PCT, whether you want it or not, has to slidecast every single spell and the fights are not so friendly for stationing.

And melees should do their positionals and keep uptime, which can be quite risky for both you and your party with current content design. So yeah, all risks considered, melees shouldn't do less than casters.

[Supersnow845]

And melees should do their positionals and keep uptime, which can be quite risky for both you and your party with current content design. So yeah, all risks considered, melees shouldn't do less than casters.

When was the last time the game truly made a mechanic that wasn’t explicitly designed around the correct solution necessitating 4 people in melee range and 4 people at a distance………junction shiva?

If a strategy doesn’t take risks introducing melee uptime then you can’t claim melee uptime is a skill expression that necessitates higher damage

[VerySadDRG]

When was the last time the game truly made a mechanic that wasn’t explicitly designed around the correct solution necessitating 4 people in melee range and 4 people at a distance………junction shiva?

Good luck having full uptime as a melee in M3S or M4S mate.

[Supersnow845]

Good luck having full uptime as a melee in M3S or M4S mate.

The AVERAGE melee in M4 has EIGHT. 8 GCD’s of downtime

Of those 8 about 3-4 are non actionable downtime anyway

4-8 GCD’s of actionable downtime is functionally full uptime for the purposes of comparing them to casters that spend 50+% of their time casting

[Carighan]

Frankly I think Motifs in uptime need to be able to be painted faster. Give a purpose to White/Black Paint and have it so Holy and Meteor provide a unique but stacking buff that each reduce cast time / recast of Motifs by 25%. "Prepping the canvas" so to speak.

Conceptually interesting, but IMO:

* Too big a rework for something as "simple" as a potency nerf goal.
* It's good design to have separate mobility tools that aren't used rotationally.

[VerySadDRG]

The AVERAGE melee in M4 has EIGHT. 8 GCD’s of downtime

Of those 8 about 3-4 are non actionable downtime anyway

4-8 GCD’s of actionable downtime is functionally full uptime for the purposes of comparing them to casters that spend 50+% of their time casting

That's news to me. So, losing up to 1 Wyrmwind usage and screwing up my burst by losing GCD alignment because I can't get some of those GCDs is fine then. Multiple Chaotic Spring ticks? Pfft, screw 'em as well, lol.

At the same time the only caster that can possibly lose some uptime is RDM. And, what a surprise, its damage isn't that big either.

[ForteNightshade]

As opposed to right now where the melee render all but PCT irrelevant

Except they do not. Caster balance is awful, nobody is going to deny that. However, that is entirely separate problem from melee.

If you were to buff Red Mage to deal melee level damage, you now have a job without any uptime restrictions, 10% party mitigation and both an on demand heal and raise. In what world is that remotely comparable to the current landscape, one where Red Mage was chosen over melee in FRU prog on more than a few teams despite it's awful damage? I'm all for buffing the casters but the person I quoted went to the opposite extreme. Right now running RDM/SMN and Pictro is perfectly fine in a prog setting. If RDM is pushing SAM/DRG/NIN levels, you'd be actively trolling to not have it because they offer nowhere close to the utility and flexibility.

Axe Magicek Barrier, Vercure and Verraise then we can talk about Red Mage doing melee damage. Although, there's still the uptime discrepancy.

[Ggwppino]

Except they do not. Caster balance is awful, nobody is going to deny that. However, that is entirely separate problem from melee.

And in fact, it's a way to balance the casters, where all of them prefer to play PCT (because it's fun, because it offers maximum damage consistently)

In your imagination, unconsciously, when you think of a balanced party you think of 2 melee, 1 caster and 1 pranged. And throughout Endwalker was objectively the best thing to have, given the 6-8% difference between melee and the others.
Well a balanced party is 1 melee, 1 caster, 1 pranged and a free spot.

If the RDM did the same damage as the melee, the melee would still have their space, but it would allow the RDM to compete much more easily at the caster spot because it will do considerable damage plus its versatily and could compete for the free spot.