Are classes needed? POLL

[UmJammerSully]

Wow, the results of this thread make me sad.

To everyone who voted on the second option: I hope you enjoy future jobs like Dark Knight being a mere 5 abilities tacked onto Gladiator instead of fully fleshed-out classes. >_<

[Lux_Rayna]

Wow, the results of this thread make me sad.

To everyone who voted on the second option: I hope you enjoy future jobs like Dark Knight being a mere 5 abilities tacked onto Gladiator instead of full-blown classes.

FFXI is that way --->

[UmJammerSully]

FFXI is that way --->

To everyone who voted on the second option: I hope you enjoy future jobs like Templar being a mere 5 abilities tacked onto Gladiator instead of fully fleshed-out classes. >_<

There we go. If I use some generic job name that isn't from XI, will you respond properly?

Probably not.

[Lux_Rayna]

There we go. If I use some generic job name that isn't from XI, will you respond properly?

Probably not.

---> Generic MMO is that way

[Lux_Rayna]

There we go. If I use some generic job name that isn't from XI, will you respond properly?

Probably not.

Of course my trolling is intentional but I'm also making a point.

FFXIV is FFXIV, why does it have to be like FFXI or <insert another MMO here>? Ppl hate the armoury system simply because its different. That is not a good reason to me. FFXIV has been all about the armoury system from day one. SE was *nice* enough to add jobs into the mix to give us more flavors and stuff to choose. Instead ppl decide they like jobs better because jobs are nostalgic and defined and classes are more flexible and well..not nostalgic.

If DRG was a job, except it was called something else, we wouldnt be having this conversation. They should have named the jobs something entirely different so these complaints would cease and desist.

[Vaymathias]

Of course my trolling is intentional but I'm also making a point.

FFXIV is FFXIV, why does it have to be like FFXI or <insert another MMO here>? Ppl hate the armoury system simply because its different. That is not a good reason to me. FFXIV has been all about the armoury system from day one. SE was *nice* enough to add jobs into the mix to give us more flavors and stuff to choose. Instead ppl decide they like jobs better because jobs are nostalgic and defined and classes are more flexible and well..not nostalgic.

If DRG was a job, except it was called something else, we wouldnt be having this conversation. They should have named the jobs something entirely different so these complaints would cease and desist.

People hate the armory system because it's insanely limiting, AND it's no longer the armory system, it changed a lot in many ways excluding it's name.

The class + Job system needs a lot of work. Classes need to be less specialized, and Jobs need to be relatively more powerful for the extra work. Gladiator is a tank, so is PLD, but PLD does it far better than GLD leaving any reason to even have GLD except having it as a stepping stone.

[Fionlagh]

Good point Vaymathias, of alll classes (IMO) GLD needs the most work. I also agree classes need more separation in identity/utility

[Duelle]

Wow, the results of this thread make me sad.

To everyone who voted on the second option: I hope you enjoy future jobs like Dark Knight being a mere 5 abilities tacked onto Gladiator instead of fully fleshed-out classes.

Again, this would not be an issue if the ability spread for classes was a little more neutral. I mean, under perfect conditions, if SE removed all shield-related abilities from GLA and gave them to PLD and removed enmity bonuses from sword weapon skills, you could easily build off it by having the PLD crystal give certain skills enmity bonuses and having the crystal grant skills related to shields, and having the DRK crystal give attack bonuses on top of the already higher damage due to them having a great sword equipped along with their own drains, debuffs and whatnot (not to mention, can you imagine how cool Rage of Halone would look like if used with a two-handed sword?).

The thing I lament is that I wasn't around to suggest this back when people were crying about no roles.

[Fionlagh]

Unjammer, its not cap, were mid level chars, also, while not glamorous theres also traits. oh yeah, also not a huge deal but jobs do have their own combos.