Why people are bad at the game, and why they never learn to play it.

[VanillaWafer]

These topics always infuriate me because it always boils down to, every single time...elitism and the idea that one cannot have their fun in savage, extreme, and ultimate content as long as somewhere out there, some slacker (read, majority of the playerbase) is having fun engaging in content that isn't up to those standards.

"Fun?"

I'm sorry, but if playing poorly or sub-optimally is what you consider fun, then you can have that with your friends. As a mostly solo player, while I don't expect perfection and try to be friendly, but I'm not your friend to be messing with my time. Whether it's DF or PF, I'm there to fill a role and complete the instance so I can go my merry way.

Throwing the word "elitism" around is reckless, as I don't think people who just want to get the job done is like that. Pointing something out like a Dancer not using Closed Position on their fellow DPS for example, and their reason for doing so is because it's not Ultimate is a problem. People like you who are probably enabling this don't let the player grow and learn how to play their class well.

This becomes a vicious cycle until they meet the wrong one and tells them off, causing more stress.

Be better.

[Alyx-Greywind]

"Fun?"

I'm sorry, but if playing poorly or sub-optimally is what you consider fun, then you can have that with your friends. As a mostly solo player, while I don't expect perfection and try to be friendly, but I'm not your friend to be messing with my time. Whether it's DF or PF, I'm there to fill a role and complete the instance so I can go my merry way.

Throwing the word "elitism" around is reckless, as I don't think people who just want to get the job done is like that. Pointing something out like a Dancer not using Closed Position on their fellow DPS for example, and their reason for doing so is because it's not Ultimate is a problem. People like you who are probably enabling this don't let the player grow and learn how to play their class well.

This becomes a vicious cycle until they meet the wrong one and tells them off, causing more stress.

Be better.

I thought the TOS covered this? You're able to Vote Kick people if you feel like your playstyles are incompatible? There's always going to be discourse when it comes to player performance, always has been and it's nothing new to FFXIV. When you enter the public domain you will meet all kinds of players. If you're unable to reconcile your differences with other players then you Vote Kick.

Sadly you're entering into content designed to be jumped into and you'll meet players of all different skill. The best you can do is be polite and handle the situation as it comes.

[VanillaWafer]

I thought the TOS covered this? You're able to Vote Kick people if you feel like your playstyles are incompatible? There's always going to be discourse when it comes to player performance, always has been and it's nothing new to FFXIV. When you enter the public domain you will meet all kinds of players. If you're unable to reconcile your differences with other players then you Vote Kick.

Sadly you're entering into content designed to be jumped into and you'll meet players of all different skill. The best you can do is be polite and handle the situation as it comes.

I am aware of this, but I don't use Vote Kick unless it's absolutely necessary and other players are in agreement. Sometimes these players come in twos or threes, and their friends enable their behavior. When that happens, then I have no problem dropping the instance and happily eat the 30 minute penalty.