Custom CC Games are way better than Ranked

[Mawlzy]

Do you think we... Have a magic pipeline to devs that will make them take us seriously or something? I can't event get the GMs to take my reports about hard griefers in ranked seriously, for multiple years now.

As the owner of PvP Revival, what "cunning and subtle" things do you think are going on, exactly? Do you think we're paid to push an agenda or something? Because for the record, I do NOT get paid for anything I do. I DON'T get recognized by SE either, only people in the community. My input does not get more taken more seriously then anyone else's, and I see nothing that will foreseeably change that in the near future.

It's a shame you had a shitty experience at a queue sync or whatever, but do you REALLY think it justifies whatever weird conspiracy pushing this is? We just like PvP, enjoy playing it with our friends, and want it to be better. But SURE, I guess that's cunning and subtle and completely invisible... Like what? We use our membership to push PvP events. I work a full-time job, and I have no interest in being a streamer. If I'm a semi-public figure in this community, then it's out of necessity and nothing more. I do not like the spotlight. I just want to play PvP with my friends, and get more people to understand that it can indeed be fun.

I was responding to Atreus' assertion that we plebs were unaware of the communication channel that the elites have to the devs.

As the owner of Revival I would like to see you have more access to the devs. Maybe the fact you didn't join the official forums until last month is holding you back.

[Soxforrow]

So maybe you could disseminate such info here to the little people? That would improve the quality of dialog on these forums, particularly given so much of it is hampered by having no clue what it is the devs are thinking. Or are you constrained by an NDA?

We are on the same team here. We have no method of directly communicating with any of the community representativess from Square Enix. I have spoken with one of them exactly once, and that was two years ago during the Community Cup when I was a team captain.

I agree that Frontline is complete garbage right now, and it's the mode that sees by far the most play because it's a roulette, so Frontline being bad means PvP is not in a good state. I have nearly 3,000 Frontline campaigns because I genuinely used to enjoy the mode, but it really does feel like our pleas for the mode to be fixed are not being answered.

So since they do not listen to our pleas on the forums, surely that means Square Enix listens to the Japanese playerbase?

I did an interview with prominent members of the Japanese PvP community with help of a translator: a finalist from JP CCRC, and a partnered Twitch streamer that mainly plays PvP. I asked them to speak on the feeling of their community as a whole (not their personal feelings) if they felt like their feedback was being heard. Their response was shocking- they said the JP PvP community believes Square Enix only listens to a small vocal minority on the English forums.

So wait- we're both pointing our fingers at each other! So who are they listening to?

Which brings us here, to where it is a matter of the community seemingly caring more about the game than the developers themselves and it is frustrating. I wish I could fix everything myself, but I cannot.

[Mawlzy]

My disdain is not with forum discourse, else I wouldn't be here. My disdain is for your ASSumption that because people aren't here, that they aren't doing anything; that we somehow have to earn your respect. Honestly stop with the twisting. If it makes you feel better, we don't end up knowing any more than you do in the end.

My respect means nothing. But a community trying to grow does need to be respected, surely? I'd suggest some Discord servers have earned a lot more respect than others. Indeed some are actively and maliciously hostile to outsiders. Hence why Mr. Brand's suggestion that we find our "local communities" is poorly conceived. Most of us know damn well we don't have one.

It makes me feel worse that you don't end up knowing any more than the plebs. I'd like there to be a channel between the player base and the devs that allows us to make informed suggestions and them to explain what the hell it is they think they're doing. The patch notes are typically vague and contradictory.

[Mawlzy]

We are on the same team here. We have no method of directly communicating with any of the community representativess from Square Enix. I have spoken with one of them exactly once, and that was two years ago during the Community Cup when I was a team captain.

I agree that Frontline is complete garbage right now, and it's the mode that sees by far the most play because it's a roulette, so Frontline being bad means PvP is not in a good state. I have nearly 3,000 Frontline campaigns because I genuinely used to enjoy the mode, but it really does feel like our pleas for the mode to be fixed are not being answered.

So since they do not listen to our pleas on the forums, surely that means Square Enix listens to the Japanese playerbase?

I did an interview with prominent members of the Japanese PvP community with help of a translator: a finalist from JP CCRC, and a partnered Twitch streamer that mainly plays PvP. I asked them to speak on the feeling of their community as a whole (not their personal feelings) if they felt like their feedback was being heard. Their response was shocking- they said the JP PvP community believes Square Enix only listens to a small vocal minority on the English forums.

So wait- we're both pointing our fingers at each other! So who are they listening to?

Which brings us here, to where it is a matter of the community seemingly caring more about the game than the developers themselves and it is frustrating. I wish I could fix everything myself, but I cannot.

Thank you for taking the trouble to write this, it's very informative if disturbing. I've always been skeptical of the claims here that SQEX only listens to JP feedback, partly because I've worked for a subscription-based company and our hearing was always attuned to those giving us money. It's sort of tragic that both regions assume it is the other that has influence, when apparently neither do.

Despite my reservations with aspects of 14 PvP Discord, it is clear to me - and should be clear to SQEX - that such communities are the most invested in the PvP game modes, and that their combined experience of playing the modes should make them a resource to be listened to, not an irritant to be ignored. Unfortunately I don't see a way forward, and the latest iteration of FL has me close to giving up on the whole thing.

[WutWut]

Maybe me not joining the forums sooner has contributed, but there is multiple SE reps in Revival. If they choose to be oblivious of sentiment within the server that they can see, then that is on them and not us. And this is also the forum system where catgirl porn stayed up for a whole week before being removed; I am dubious that *anyone* paid by SE takes it seriously either. I'm not really sold on "being more active on the forums" is the answer; simple fact is SE chooses not to listen to us, for whatever reason.

I agree with your end conclusion regardless: it'd be nice if they listened to someone that actually plays PvP enough to have a real understanding, whether it's from within my team or elsewhere altogether.

[WutWut]

I was responding to Atreus' assertion that we plebs were unaware of the communication channel that the elites have to the devs.

As the owner of Revival I would like to see you have more access to the devs. Maybe the fact you didn't join the official forums until last month is holding you back.

Precious post was in response to this. I have forgotten how to work a forum in 2024 apparently o_O

[Valence]

My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.

[Aravell]

My problem with communities is that I never know which one is sanitized and which one isn't. Revival for instance tries to be welcoming which I appreciate, while fostering lightly moderated channels (opt-in) for DC centric post game malding and toxicity. Before this it was just public DC specific channels where moderation was supposed to happened, but never did. This sends very mixed signals to me.

This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.

[Loggos]

This right here is why I don't like being in PvP communities.

While I get that some people want to vent, I firmly believe that post-match malding and toxicity have no place in a community that wants to be welcoming, because there is a chance that the person that someone is malding about happens to be in the same community and knows that they're being complained about, that's not a great feeling I'm sure.

Can only agree to this. And even if said players aren't part of the community, if you are someone who tends to make similar mistakes or who is of a comparable skill level as the people they complain about you can count 2 and 2 together and realize you probably cause the same type of frustration. Because sometimes it's less about the person themselves. They can be more of a proxy for certain deficits/ways to mess up. The only reason why you are not talked about in a post-game channel could be because others know you are reading.

For players that still need practice this can send mixed messages. On the one hand the community is about learning and there is no shame in still needing to improve, on the other hand those who are in a state of learning similar to yours are judged (sometimes harshly) precisely for making those mistakes.

And sure, this will often come from a place of spontaneous annoyance after losing yet another game and people just want to let it out somewhere. I understand that kind of frustration and the person venting might not even dislike you generally speaking.

But it might still make that sense of a community, that welcomes learning, feel kind of conditional because you know you can be – or maybe already are/have been – that source of irritation and that "lame duck”/”burden” on someone’s team (burden sounds a bit too dramatic, sorry, but I can't think of a better word right now, so take it with some grains of salt).

[Mawlzy]

Previous post was in response to this. I have forgotten how to work a forum in 2024 apparently o_O

Understood, my company like most others moved off forums several years ago.

Since you are here, I'd like to share my experience as someone who joined Revival about a year ago and subsequently left. As Valence notes, there is an attempt to be welcoming which should be commended. The light moderation, OTOH, is IMO a serious problem and very different to the approach I took as a Discord mod.

Because I have modded, I take server etiquette seriously. Different communities work to different standards, and simply figuring out the sort of questions/content being posted, the preferred channels for different content, and so on, is something I like to suss out before sticking my oar in. So I lurk for a bit on any new server.

Revival puzzled me. My interest is primarily FL, so that is the channel I looked at most. It appeared to be being used as a general chat room, despite the presence on the server of a "general" channel. It was cluttered with images of adventure plates, memes and gifs. Typically I would expect pins in this channel to feature evergreen content of interest to FL players, but this was not the case.

You mention you have SE reps on Revival. How are they supposed to take the temperature of the room when so much of the content is clutter?

Communities by their nature develop their own customs and conventions, but looking for information about FL and being confronted by incomprehensible "in jokes" and anime girls with big boobs simply made Revival feel cliquey and unwelcoming to me. And when I asked what I thought was a sensible question about playing WAR in FL, I was again met with random images and nonsense.

One of your mods was kind enough to DM me and apologize, while an experienced FL player also DMd me and we had a very productive discussion about situational-variations in the ordering of skills in WAR's burst.

I should emphasize that this was before anyone had connected my Discord handle to my FF14 character. Once that happened I'm perfectly willing to accept that the rudeness I received was deserved given the sniping I have done here. I also appreciate that nobody on your server is getting paid, whereas as a mod I was. Thus I had greater motivation to moderate channels so that they were actually useful to everyone, and not just a select few using the FL channel as a chat room.

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