Custom CC Games are way better than Ranked

[Mawlzy]

They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.

And the crowning achievement of all this is FL 7.1?

[Atreus]

And the crowning achievement of all this is FL 7.1?

They have balanced, do balance, and always will balance around arena modes. You're going to have to get over that Frontline is a lil side activity. Maybe 7.2 will get you what you want.

[Mawlzy]

They have balanced, do balance, and always will balance around arena modes. You're going to have to get over that Frontline is a lil side activity. Maybe 7.2 will get you what you want.

Okay, that's fair. PvP in general is the red-headed step-child of 14, and FL is that step-child's pet turtle. It just burns a bit for those of us whose main engagement with the game is FL.

A request: 99% of players don't have the kind of access to devs, nor Yoshi-P himself that you apparently do. I understand that as part of that elite, you must regard the ideas exchanged on these forums as so much mewling and puking. But we are actively told to post our suggestions here. And if we do so in a manner you find pathetic, that's largely precisely because we lack access and information.

So maybe you could disseminate such info here to the little people? That would improve the quality of dialog on these forums, particularly given so much of it is hampered by having no clue what it is the devs are thinking. Or are you constrained by an NDA?

[Valence]

They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.

Now that made me curious. Did anyone actually push for those hit detection changes?

[Atreus]

A request: 99% of players don't have the kind of access to devs, nor Yoshi-P himself that you apparently do. I understand that as part of that elite, you must regard the ideas exchanged on these forums as so much mewling and puking. But we are actively told to post our suggestions here. And if we do so in a manner you find pathetic, that's largely precisely because we lack access and information.

My disdain is not with forum discourse, else I wouldn't be here. My disdain is for your ASSumption that because people aren't here, that they aren't doing anything; that we somehow have to earn your respect. Honestly stop with the twisting. If it makes you feel better, we don't end up knowing any more than you do in the end.

[Atreus]

Now that made me curious. Did anyone actually push for those hit detection changes?

Yes and no. Snapshotting has been a huge complaint in relation to animations. The complaint was people using Guard, feeling like they're safe for a whole second or two, and damage still going through from long animation skills (Wyrmwind Thrust, Marksman's Spite, etc.). We wanted a solution but weren't really certain we could get anything with this engine.

[Bureda]

They include talks with community reps who are on the larger Discords (not mentioned here). They include discussions and collaboration with the JP playerbase, whose section sees far more engagement and hosts far better discussion. They include interactions with Yoshida himself, who actively participates in scrim days on JP. They include the tournaments we host that SE reps tune in to, where they constantly draw data on job balance. Even REDDIT gets better discussion than here.



It's not, because that's insane. The queue time issues are because the reward for ranked is the same as it's been since season 1 with a different roman numeral. No one cares about them anymore. They only care now because the system is new and there's a bigger pool of players.



Without even knowing what his experience is, you're just dying for that sweet validation huh

Who are the Devs talking to and playing with?
Their demons?

The patch notes are AI generated,
Their goals achieved are the opposite of what the patch notes stated in,
Once you face actual humans you'll realise that crowd control is so layered you'll be standing around for multiple seconds unable to act.

It's 2024, and we have a PvP 'competitive mode' that gets updates less frequently than PvE.

Literally zero communication.

[ArianneRosecrown]

For what it's worth - Naoki Yoshida has indeed said (live on stream) that they are going to add role actions specific to Frontline and Rival Wings in Patch 7.2.

Source: https://discord.com/channels/1004639...82744929779762
(Links to the /r/FFXIV Discord server with over 100,000 members. It's to their Live Letter translations channel.)

[WutWut]

And do those other means include prominent Discord servers using the power of their large memberships to lobby the devs? Or is there something so cunning and subtle going on that it is completely invisible?

Do you think we... Have a magic pipeline to devs that will make them take us seriously or something? I can't event get the GMs to take my reports about hard griefers in ranked seriously, for multiple years now.

As the owner of PvP Revival, what "cunning and subtle" things do you think are going on, exactly? Do you think we're paid to push an agenda or something? Because for the record, I do NOT get paid for anything I do. I DON'T get recognized by SE either, only people in the community. My input does not get more taken more seriously then anyone else's, and I see nothing that will foreseeably change that in the near future.

It's a shame you had a shitty experience at a queue sync or whatever, but do you REALLY think it justifies whatever weird conspiracy pushing this is? We just like PvP, enjoy playing it with our friends, and want it to be better. But SURE, I guess that's cunning and subtle and completely invisible... Like what? We use our membership to push PvP events. I work a full-time job, and I have no interest in being a streamer. If I'm a semi-public figure in this community, then it's out of necessity and nothing more. I do not like the spotlight. I just want to play PvP with my friends, and get more people to understand that it can indeed be fun.

[Soxforrow]

There’s a perception among some players that communities can sometimes feel more like businesses disguised as social spaces. Instead of existing purely for the community, some groups have been known to use their platforms to promote themselves, often to grow into something bigger, like a Twitch brand or even a professional-level organization. Custom matches and events can sometimes feel like stepping stones for self-promotion, and while that’s not inherently bad, it can leave a sour taste for those who’ve seen it happen before.

The concern grows when these groups expand to the point where they influence how the game is played on a larger scale. For instance, if someone joins a community but doesn’t feel like they fit in, the group’s continued growth can still make it the dominant voice for a specific part of the game. Eventually, that influence might extend to solo play expectations, too—similar to how PF stratigies from certain Discords have become the unspoken expectation when playing in Party Finder.

Hi Phoebe! I'm glad you pointed this out because this is something I have been personally grappling with on my own. If you've ever watched a big Crystalline Conflict tournament on Twitch during Endwalker, I was probably either streaming, hosting, commentating, or playing in myself. During this time I put a great deal of personal investment into the game mode while trying to stay out of the limelight for fear of coming across as self-centered.

This backfired a bit. Sure, events were successful, and I got a great deal of good feedback and it was nice to be praised, but that's about where my own personal gain ends. When not hosting a tournament, I stream on Twitch for 0 viewers. I gained no followers on any social media, and people have no idea who I am. SE themselves have pointed out that they know who I am but would never invite me to anything like a Community Championship or Crystalline Conflict Regional Championship (CCRC) because I'm a nobody.

So it's hard, because I poured so much of myself into that and got burnt. With that, I realized that the most fun I have had in this game is my thousands of casual matches of Rival Wings and Frontline with my friends where we are just messing around and having fun in a low stakes setting. Introducing people to PvP and showing them how it can be fun in the same way something like Mario Party would be fun is what excites me.

Now, I don't speak on behalf of all the leadership at Revival, but I believe they would agree with me that PvP is at its best when it is inclusive and welcoming to new players and not forcing people away with things that you mentioned previously, so we will take steps to make it just like that.

Forgive me if this was a bit rambling- this is something that has been on my mind quite a lot in the past few months.