The Formula won't change

[TomsYoungerBro]

Very persuasive, astute even, argument. If this weren't an MMO and if there didn't exist examples that you could pull from to make a comparative counter-example. You can have varying levels of difficulty when it comes to new dungeons, in fact an MMO named Mabinogi (a 16 maybe more years old mmo) has beginner dungeons, normal dungeons, basic dungeons, intermediate dungeons, advanced dungeons, hard mode normal dungeons, hard mode basic dungeons, hard mode advanced dungeons, shadow missions (which are effectively non-floor related monster environments), theater missions (Same as prior), and a whole lot of other monster related content all varying levels of difficulty and execution depending on how they are named (beginner, normal, basic, intermediate, advanced, and phantasmal (more modernly added now))

Now it doesn't have to be that crazy but a lot of folks seem to be asking for more varying levels of difficulty combined with better execution. I am not sure how that is hard to understand, there doesn't just have to exist the easiest/hardest end of the spectrum of content and it doesn't all have to be made in the same format.

I don't care one way or the other, I am more concerned on why people are against more content being added, that surely wasn't on my bingo card of FFXIV players, especially with the lack of newer added content and the spacing issue on how long that content is supposed to last.

Im not even sure what post of mine exactly you are referring to here, but in regards to the other person i was commenting: They wanted savage dungeons, yet they don't even do criterion which is literally savage dungeons. Ok.

Where did I say I want criterion dungeons, exactely?
I said I want savage versions of the REGULAR 4-player dungeons, the one's we got 13 of in ShB and EW, 18 in HW and 15 in SB, not the 3 criterion dungeons.
If your only response to this is parroting "Hurr you didn't play it" then please, save us both the time and don't even bother typing.

This isn't rocket science. Your argument for why criterion doesn't work for you as opposed to your exact ask makes 0 sense. Criterion and Criterion(Savage) are the exact type of content you are asking for. Yet you don't even do those. You want me to believe you want that content for every dungeon in the game post-ARR? You aren't even doing the savage dungeons in the game now. This is comical.

[Absurdity]

Criterion and Criterion(Savage) are the exact type of content you are asking for. Yet you don't even do those. You want me to believe you want that content for every dungeon in the game post-ARR? You aren't even doing the savage dungeons in the game now. This is comical.

Not really. I guess if we take modern XIV's dismal normal dungeons as the standard then yes, technically they qualify as dungeons, but they're really just boss gauntlets.

[Gurgeh]

So if you are unsubbed why are you terminally online in this forum? Gotta fill your time with something I guess.

Well, that applies to me and that is 50% of the reason in my case.
the other 50% is that (no exaggeration whatsoever, whatsoever) that I have only within the last couple of weeks unsubbed, and for a long time before that I had only been logging in for the qualities that the game shares with the indentation in the seat of my old office chair:- namely that is was familiar. However, like my old office chair it was becoming rather uncomfortable.
However, having spent so much time in the game I do still find it 'of interest' (even if not the game play), unlike logging into the game, I am enjoying logging in here.
There are also... 'far' more people chatting. And that's a Fact.

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Oh.. and like my old office chair, looking at people who had left, it had become a source of embarrassment to myself.

Put another way (I am enjoying riffing on this theme) that while I hope the game improves, yes, I am saying that at present the game has all the appeal of a sweaty arse crack. (no doubt there is a mod for the subculture that enjoys that kind of thing, somewhere.)

[Arlythe]

Not really. I guess if we take modern XIV's dismal normal dungeons as the standard then yes, technically they qualify as dungeons, but they're really just boss gauntlets.

Which era of dungeon design do you like the most and what do you think modern ones are lacking? Sincere question, I always thought dungeons are pretty even all across the board.
I don't remember which patch it was but they modernized a lot of the older dungeons from ARR by removing some things that were confusing or drawing out the length of it, did you like those changes?

[Moqi]

Dungeon design is great already for content that's meant to be repeated at nauseam. There just isn't enough variety and they're too easy.

[Daralii]

Dungeon design is great already for content that's meant to be repeated at nauseam. There just isn't enough variety and they're too easy.

The problem is that they're designed as obligatory MSQ gameplay segments first and foremost, and they want the MSQ's difficulty to be tuned for the lowest common denominator. The only optional dungeon is slightly harder, and Yoshida made sure to promise that its difficulty won't be the norm.

[Moqi]

That's why we need more than one dungeon per patch so they can shove all the story dungeon into leveling (aka MSQ) and have proper, optional midcore content for expert roulette.

[Arlythe]

That's why we need more than one dungeon per patch so they can shove all the story dungeon into leveling (aka MSQ) and have proper, optional midcore content for expert roulette.

That's where I'd put in my envisioned savage dungeons. So you can qeue them if you like, you also have more variety and more of a challenge if that is what you seek.

[Hallarem]

I don't know what the point is to change dungeons when the itemization and stats are lacking as a system. There is no gear to chase, no stats to chase nor test variations with. Even in the glam front a lot of the new dungeon gear tends to be recolors of old gear, or some just blatantly give you only accessories.

Tomestone cap, woooo? Thats the only thing we're chasing really.

[Fatch38]

I don't know what the point is to change dungeons when the itemization and stats are lacking as a system. There is no gear to chase, no stats to chase nor test variations with. Even in the glam front a lot of the new dungeon gear tends to be recolors of old gear, or some just blatantly give you only accessories.

Tomestone cap, woooo? Thats the only thing we're chasing really.

you sir take my thumb. everytime i bring that point you've got a bunch of white knights coming to defend that lazy gamedesign. so take care they'll come with their forks.