(genuinely. not sarcastically) Who is the 24 Man Savage For?

[Valence]

Thats not what they said. They stated that extremes are easier than the first 2 savage raids this fight is on par with the first two.

Since I don't know japanese, I'll relay what I read on the live letter translation on the Balance:

"About difficulty
They wanted to try to get it to be around Extreme difficulty
But they also want more people to try out this new content, so they have balanced it around Savage 2nd floor
(Extreme difficulty is supposed to be between floors 2 and 3)
They think it'll be the right balance for people who cleared Savage but not really in the mood for Ultimates"

So perhaps they mistranslated? Where did you get your version?

Either way, said to be above 2nd floors of savages is no joke compared to what was advertised initially.

[Somnolence]

Remains to be seen with more info about difficulty and the rewards.

F. e. if this 730 gear has savage stats instead of augmented tome gear stats it won't do anything to speed up BiS gearing for alts.

[Volgia]

Why you need 730 tho lol? Thats the thing ppl like op thinks that savage raids needs like a super preparation to actually do them and i dont blame them I use to think the same before trying raiding but in reality you only need i710 on your gear and you are already in the possibility to clear M1S to M4S and thats most likely be the case for the chaotic alliance raid. The design has always been the same and there is no need to explain it. Just log in check if your item is equal or more than 710 and thats all you need. OP said to have a full quetzali gear thats more than enough to do any content either current savage, chaotic or the new extreme thats going to be released, the only thing that ever needs some level of preparation are new ultimates in this case FRU even old ultimates doesn't need preparation cuz those are ilvl synced

God, I'd like it if there were a post-savage type of content besides Ultimate that would make the gear useful, TBH.

Well at the end of the day people were asking for a DIFFERENT way to get gear, that isn't committed to Savage raiding, on top of that they added 5 more rewards to it, plus some of them you can even sell on the market board, so I don't know, _so far_ it feels like a very fair piece of content.

I'll hold my breath until the content is out, to see how hard it is to clear it, and if the stats on this new gear are worth the trouble.

[Kranel_San]

(genuinely not sarcastically)

• Who is the 24 Man Savage For?
• How is preparing for it likely to work?

I've been playing XIV for four years. It was my first MMO, Sastasha and every dungeon made me nervous for about six months (maybe longer) and I never moved in Endgame circles and was in the wrong region for ages, I only just about understand how gearing works now, and my guess is I probably still don't fully understand it. (I'm not one for reddits and out of game resources and stuff.)

So for example if I wanted to consider trying to get involved, this is my starting position:
- I've never done savage.
- I've cleared about 2 Extremes from EW while they were high end, I've cleared the 2 Extremes from DT. But that's for a total of about 10 clears, I don't have a lot of practice. Very little of that was PF experience, mostly friends on voice, making up numbers from PF here and there.
- I've cleared Singularity unreal. Only 2/3 times. Again not PF.
- I'm not an omni crafter. (my crafting isn't even all levelled much less geared.)
- I've got about 15,000,000 gil and that takes me about 6-9 months to amass.
- I don't use any addons that might help me maximise market board potential.
- I've got a full set of Quetzall gear only for my PLD.
- I've got normal raid gear for some other jobs, but I would struggle to be useful even in an Extreme playing those, I could probably get passable with MNK, but not useful in anything more challenging.
- I have been basically obliged to look at my PLD logs [no shade on anyone, we all just thought we were supposed to] and (Singularoty unreal) I'm a grey parser. That may partly have been demands on our healers of our collective party and down time, but I'm not going to be solid blue touching purple any time soon. (although I seem to be about the only tank using raid mites very much I can purple parse healing consistently it seems, not that I'm suggesting that's close to significantly usefull)

What stands between me and Savage 24man being... an option?

(don't worry I'm not optimistic. But I've sort of already written this off before considering it. Which maybe I shouldn't.)

Thanks.

If it's not catering to you, that doesn't instantly mean it doesn't cater to anyone else. You're part of the population, not the whole population.

I myself am looking forward to the chaotic alliance raid because I liked Ivalice raids and Relic raids, and would love to see more large-scale battles instead of the usual trial-format ones.

I want to feel the MMO in this game outside the cities.

[Voidmage]

Since I don't know japanese, I'll relay what I read on the live letter translation on the Balance:

"About difficulty
They wanted to try to get it to be around Extreme difficulty
But they also want more people to try out this new content, so they have balanced it around Savage 2nd floor
(Extreme difficulty is supposed to be between floors 2 and 3)
They think it'll be the right balance for people who cleared Savage but not really in the mood for Ultimates"

So perhaps they mistranslated? Where did you get your version?

Either way, said to be above 2nd floors of savages is no joke compared to what was advertised initially.

So it really is just for the hardcore raider group.
If you are a savage raider you will be happy. If you wanted the typical “Ex PF jump in” or even just Dalriada you will be left behind (I never had the impression that Ex was harder than Savage 1 and 2, not even close).
This will become a pure discord thing for the masses because I think for the statics and hardcore raiders it will be far faster to just farm everything with the “good” players instead of wasting time on the first timer bonus.
They will just hop between data centers and that will be it.

They completely f**** up the difficulty of this thing and I am getting more and more annoyed by the savage and above raider pandering in this game.
This with the words from Yoshida that “Ultimate will be fun to watch” gives me the impression that this game becomes more and more a pure a streamer game.

[JuicyHeals]

I've never felt any extreme to be on par with any savage floor

[Ardeth]

As a causal, you just shrug and move on. I got no gripe with content like this so long as if I eventually can do it at a casual level after a couple of expansions. What I hate about Ultimates as content is that you can't do that. It just annoys me because it's content kept from my playstyle. Which as a paying customer is bad to me. But that's my opinion on it. It feels exclusionary. It not you just git good, but I'm not that type of player. So what I'm saying is make more content that can be unsynced later.

[Valence]

(I never had the impression that Ex was harder than Savage 1 and 2, not even close).

If the balance translation is correct that is.

But yes, that's why I got puzzled. There is no way an extreme trial is more complicated to clear than any savage floor unless we're talking about Alte Roite or something. Any ex trial takes 1 or 2 hours tops with a dedicated and coordinated semi HC static (I should know, I've cleared a lot of them with the different sHC groups I've had over the years), and the easier ones like the vanilla ex trials at expansions releases... well I've cleared Valigarmanda under 30min with similar groups and some newbies thrown into the mix. If they're trying to make me believe that it's harder than something like P10S that legit took us 9-10h of slogging through bullshit, there is something seriously fishy about that statement.

[mallleable]

I actually think it is intended for a wide audience despite difficulty tuning claims. The incentive to help other players clear is kinda big so it seems like it could be encouraging raiders to play with their non-raiding friends, and prove to them 'you are, and have been tall enough to ride these rides.' We'll see.

[Mawlzy]

I actually think it is intended for a wide audience despite difficulty tuning claims. The incentive to help other players clear is kinda big so it seems like it could be encouraging raiders to play with their non-raiding friends, and prove to them 'you are, and have been tall enough to ride these rides.' We'll see.

I'd suggest there simply isn't a wide audience (majority within the playerbase) that wants to attack content requiring Discord coordination and multi-statics.