(genuinely. not sarcastically) Who is the 24 Man Savage For?

[Gurgeh]

If you really want to map out some kind of non-savage gearing path, patch 7.1's Alliance raid will give you a token on your first weekly clear, which can be used to upgrade a piece of tomestone/Quetzalli gear to i730. 7 weeks of this would result in a nearly fully augmented set of Quetzalli gear, minus a weapon and a 2nd ring.


You hardly need to do some kind of massive amount of researching for this info. The FFXIV reddit has a discord channel dedicated to unofficial translations of live letter. If that's too much 'lifting' for you, SE generally posts an official translation on the forums about 10-12 days after the live letter stream.

Yeah but this is the kind of thing that's 'not' going to work for me if it's the only path (and people like me, aka all my friends who have unsubbed)
I'm unsubbed, I'm not going resub for 7 weeks into a game I no longer have any friends in (friends stopped playing, dead DC, transferred, gave up soon after) to get ready for one event. Even if we did we are not logging on, grinding out the same one alliance every night and logging off. Maybe one or two nights, guaranteed to get what you need for that week. I mean its possible I might, but I'd need to change my mind. If this is to be any use to casual-ish players, it needs to be prep-able in about a week really. Or, there needs to be other stuff to get them re-subbed for those 7 weeks its going to take

But again, you can't make content just me me, or my friends

As for discord and reddit. I'm not subbed routinely anymore. I'm just not going to get that involved. I'll catch highlights on the Patchnotes. Re-sub, and jump into the game and want to hit the ground running. I won't be wanting to get involved in lots of big social discord servers when I've just hoped back into a game where I don't know anyone anymore. Reddits fine, but only for finding information as its needed. It no good reddit saying "Yeah... you needed to start playing 7 weeks ago". Because that will be a 'nope!'

[AurisNix]

Fast readed what you said but ill just touch the critical points about gearing, full crafted (710) is the bare minimum for "hardcore" on release date would probably cost like 5mill say day one week one now a days a full crafted gear is like 500k gil or so, honestly you only go to a market board and check dont wanna be harsh but crafted gear isnt only for sweaty gamers or raiders lol is just the starting pack lol and very basic stuff even the most casual will just buy a crafted geat it isn't expensive is one button away, alternatives to the 710 is in normal raid loot but those are weekly capped.

Tome gear is 720 gear thats bought with the weekly capped tomes (450) per week and that is just obtainable doing weeklies and stuff again is just one button away to see the tomes, anything below 710 is not worth having, the new alliance raid loot (the FFXI one) will also be 720

Anything beyond 720 can only be obtainable through savage loot and soon the chaotic alliance as well.

This has been the formula since forever and there is nothing to explain or even google research. Being worry about damage and stuff isnt relevant this far in the patch most people that do raids or whatever probably are already overgeared by naturally playing the game even if they are fresh in savage they probably have more than 710ilvl on gear. Even casual that dont do savage or extremes probably already have an ilvl beyond 710.

You are going into a more of a parsing and optimization point of view for the way you look at it and talk about it but even for that there are discord channels such as The Balance that straight up tells you what to buy and what not and rotation optimization and stuff but that's just going into parsing territory that you totally dont need to raid at all. SE doesn't need to tell what gear you need or anything cuz the formula never changes in fact the formula is so overused that is a main point of criticism and why now we have chaotic alliance as an alternative to gear up.

[CuteBucket]

Obviously the mode isn't out yet, but as a person who started a raid static of almost all players new to high end content a couple years ago and takes new sprouts through EX trials and stuff, this is my educated guess as what will matter or not.

- I've never done savage.

Shouldn't matter. There may be some raid terminology and callouts that are unfamiliar, but just ask and anyone worth playing with will define the terms and explain that stuff.

- I've cleared about 2 Extremes from EW while they were high end, I've cleared the 2 Extremes from DT. But that's for a total of about 10 clears, I don't have a lot of practice. Very little of that was PF experience, mostly friends on voice, making up numbers from PF here and there.

Totally normal. That's where I started too. That experience is still enough to give you an idea on what to expect.

- I've cleared Singularity unreal. Only 2/3 times. Again not PF.

Also good experience, that one was pretty tough as far as Unreal fights go.

- I'm not an omni crafter. (my crafting isn't even all levelled much less geared.)

Neither am I. Shouldn't matter.

- I've got about 15,000,000 gil and that takes me about 6-9 months to amass.

Between the normal raid gear, tomestone gear, and crafted sets on the market board, I'm pretty confident you can gear up enough to enter without spending 15mil. You only need IL710 to enter Savage, so I'm going to guess that this will be the same if its dropping 730 gear.

- I don't use any addons that might help me maximise market board potential.

It may be worth checking a website like Universalis if you need to buy crafted gear just to try and get the best deal on your DC, but you don't need any plugins or addons or anything like that to make gil. I make a lot of my gil just desynthing stuff I get from doing content and selling the crafting mats + running treasure maps.

- I've got a full set of Quetzall gear only for my PLD.

I'm almost certain that will be more than enough to start on.

- I've got normal raid gear for some other jobs, but I would struggle to be useful even in an Extreme playing those, I could probably get passable with MNK, but not useful in anything more challenging.

Also probably enough to start on, but if you're most comfortable on PLD, I'd stick with it.

- I have been basically obliged to look at my PLD logs [no shade on anyone, we all just thought we were supposed to] and (Singularoty unreal) I'm a grey parser. That may partly have been demands on our healers of our collective party and down time, but I'm not going to be solid blue touching purple any time soon. (although I seem to be about the only tank using raid mites very much I can purple parse healing consistently it seems, not that I'm suggesting that's close to significantly usefull)

So here's the thing about the logs: They don't say what I think a lot of players believe they do. You aren't going to parse super high and get the extra shiny number colors unless you are BiS for that content. Doesn't matter if you hit all your buttons and crit a bunch, gear matters more. Chances are you played just fine and still got a grey just because of something like that. I'm a grey and green parser too, because my static is a relaxed one that takes things slow so by the time we clear a fight, all the hardcore groups already have BiS and farmed the fight for weeks, so our numbers look low. I also play PLD, so I'm willing to drop a GCD here or there to help an ally or give prio to a melee getting a hit in during a tight mechanic, etc. Getting clears>>>>>parsing high. Someone with 30 grey parses on their log still cleared the content 30 times. I don't care about parse colors in the people I play with, I care about them having a positive attitude, a willingness to learn and try new things, and just generally being an enjoyable person to be around. It's fine to want to improve, of course, but anyone overly concerned with log numbers is kind of a red flag for me tbh.

[Nezerius]

Yeah but this is the kind of thing that's 'not' going to work for me if it's the only path (and people like me, aka all my friends who have unsubbed)
I'm unsubbed, I'm not going resub for 7 weeks into a game I no longer have any friends in (friends stopped playing, dead DC, transferred, gave up soon after) to get ready for one event. Even if we did we are not logging on, grinding out the same one alliance every night and logging off. Maybe one or two nights, guaranteed to get what you need for that week. I mean its possible I might, but I'd need to change my mind. If this is to be any use to casual-ish players, it needs to be prep-able in about a week really. Or, there needs to be other stuff to get them re-subbed for those 7 weeks its going to take

But again, you can't make content just me me, or my friends

As for discord and reddit. I'm not subbed routinely anymore. I'm just not going to get that involved. I'll catch highlights on the Patchnotes. Re-sub, and jump into the game and want to hit the ground running. I won't be wanting to get involved in lots of big social discord servers when I've just hoped back into a game where I don't know anyone anymore. Reddits fine, but only for finding information as its needed. It no good reddit saying "Yeah... you needed to start playing 7 weeks ago". Because that will be a 'nope!'

Not sure if you've even read my post before writing upt this reply.

Because you clearly missed the keyword "If". I provided a potential gearing path, since you're so deadset on getting some kind of info on gearing up. We don't know what gear this content will be tuned towards, only that players won't be able to outgear it.

I'm also not sure what gave you the idea that you'll end up having to grind out one alliance raid every night. You literally get your upgrade token on your very first weekly clear.
If you want a more grindy alternative, the items used to augment the Quetzalli gear will also be purchaseable with the Hunt currency (nuts) with the release of 7.1. It'll cost 3000 nuts for a left side piece, 2000 for a right side piece.

Or, y'know, just stick with your current gear. Chances are you'll be fine.



But the overall feeling I get from your posts, is that while you keep mentioning that you "play for the journey", you're trying to find any possible reason to not take the first step.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Which doesn't mean much because them saying that extremes are designed to be harder than the first 2 fights of savage tiers, then what? Extreme trials that can usually be cleared in one hour or two, are suddenly harder than P9S limit cut? The infamous P10S? Or like when they said nothing should be as hard or harder than DSR and that TOP would be easier for sure. See how that held up at release...

I do feel they're completely out of touch when it comes to gauging the difficulty of their own game.

Thats not what they said. They stated that extremes are easier than the first 2 savage raids this fight is on par with the first two.

[VeyaAkemi]

I can speak from experience, since I came back a while after DT launched, gear prices had already stabilized, the first thing I did upon reaching DNC lvl 100 was to buy a full set of iLvl 710 Aiming gear plus the associated chakram, it ran me down for about 300k gil, after using third party websites to search for better deals, Universalis and DC travel are your friend in those situations, you should be able to get gear for about the same price, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, 15 million gil is complete overkill if your gear is only to gear up.

Seriously, I spent more money this expansion on my Ribboned Parasol, that thing ran me down like 750k, and it does nothing but make me look pretty standing around with it, but I do look very pretty with it.

[Volgia]

The rewards are what people are gonna be hunting for (Hairstyle and mounts), but depending on the stats it might be a way to optimize people towards Ultimate. On the other hand, in order to be fully 730 without doing savage you need to do 8 weeks worth of Alliance Raids for the coins, yeah? And that's for a single job... so, there's that.

[AurisNix]

Why you need 730 tho lol? Thats the thing ppl like op thinks that savage raids needs like a super preparation to actually do them and i dont blame them I use to think the same before trying raiding but in reality you only need i710 on your gear and you are already in the possibility to clear M1S to M4S and thats most likely be the case for the chaotic alliance raid. The design has always been the same and there is no need to explain it. Just log in check if your item is equal or more than 710 and thats all you need. OP said to have a full quetzali gear thats more than enough to do any content either current savage, chaotic or the new extreme thats going to be released, the only thing that ever needs some level of preparation are new ultimates in this case FRU even old ultimates doesn't need preparation cuz those are ilvl synced

[Absurdity]

The rewards are what people are gonna be hunting for (Hairstyle and mounts), but depending on the stats it might be a way to optimize people towards Ultimate. On the other hand, in order to be fully 730 without doing savage you need to do 8 weeks worth of Alliance Raids for the coins, yeah? And that's for a single job... so, there's that.

If it works like it has always done you won't be full 730 doing alliance raids weekly until they remove the weekly lockout for savage, since only at that point do they let you buy the weapon upgrade with alliance raid coins.
And of course you will be missing the 2nd 730 ring since you can't wear two augmented tome rings...an honestly pointless restriction when they allow you to do so as soon as the next raid tier releases.

[Gurgeh]

Not sure if you've even read my post before writing upt this reply.

...But the overall feeling I get from your posts, is that while you keep mentioning that you "play for the journey", you're trying to find any possible reason to not take the first step.

Apologies Nezer. It's a lot of information. I probably just skimmed it. And XIV has left me feeling under siege so I'm tending to leap at anything thats another threat. I criticised someone else for using the phrase gaslighting trivially earlier on, but right this second thats kind of what has happened to me with the whole server state thing. "Me saying Chaos and my server has problems , Light is very different" everyone (Chaos) telling me I'm wrong. Then I'll admit XIV was a part of my life, and suddenly everyone else is fed up of the game for now and unsubbed, and I flee to light in an identity crisis and I find out I was Fing right, I'm not crazy , I'm not imagining it, most here NA and Light itself, recognises what I'd been saying.

I got burned frankly.

So not being frustrated with 'you' but yeah I'm hyperfing sensitive, on the defensive, and looking to make sure nothing burns me again. I am trying to find any possible reason, your right.

And I.m REAL pissed thats happening to sprouts still on Chaos now. If I'm fully honest. We are all a bit protective of our sprouts.

I'm kinda FCKING mad at Creative III thats its still going on.
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