Please go back to 2 new dungeons per patch.

[Doragan]

what's the point of getting back to two dungeons ? they will still be boring and rewards nothing relevant to character progression (outside of tomes). i'd rather have variant dungeon be the structure to all dungeons coming instead.

Tomes are absolutely relevant to character progression, that's the point of expert roulette. You aint doing this for gil. That's the most efficient way of getting tomes in a low amount of time, and if I am to run this multiple times a week, I want something fresh, not doing Alexandria or Scarborough until April 2025. Like it used to be, really. Not boring. It did start getting boring with Stormblood shafting one dungeon every odd patches, and now it has become samey, tired and elongated with the current patch release schedule. Fourfold.

As much as I would like Variant Dungeons to become the norm, that will never happen for expert roulette specifically. Add to that we only got three of these in EW -- They're their own thing for now. If they appear in the roulette, I would be happy too.

[Fatch38]

Tomes are absolutely relevant to character progression, that's the point of expert roulette.

then you totally agree with my point being than outside of tomes there is nothing good in those. and if you use expert for tomes you should clearly do hunt (better, faster and give you way more materias), so you clearly make my point valid. dungeons are boring and are useless to character progression.

[Doragan]

then you totally agree with my point being than outside of tomes there is nothing good in those. and if you use expert for tomes you should clearly do hunt (better, faster and give you way more materias), so you clearly make my point valid. dungeons are boring and are useless to character progression.

That's not the issue and what I'm trying to discuss here. If you don't want to do dungeons, that's good for you and all. Do your hunts. I want the variety and freshness we used to have in the ex roulette. It isn't useless to character progression either since you're there for the tomes, that's it.

I want to do the expert roulette and it not being same 2 dungeons over and over for 8 months.

It would really be simpler to just put all level 100 dungeons into Expert roulette. I reached a point where I did level 90 roulette instead of Expert at the end of EW, and it was so much better getting dungeons from 2 years prior that I hadn't done for a while than just The Lunar Subterrane for 9 months.

A different, IMHO better solution would be to use the dungeons we already have for expert roulette. We can scale content up to max level already (see unreal trials), so it should be possible to, say, chose 1 dungeon from each expansion every tuesday, autoscale it to max level and push it into expert roulette. That way, older dungeons stay relevant for far longer, and people run them more.

Frankly, yeah, that could definitely solve it. It may have a "crystal tower roulette" effect in the long run though. Perhaps not with only 4 people involved, I can see it working too!

[Fatch38]

That's not the issue and what I'm trying to discuss here. If you don't want to do dungeons, that's good for you and all. Do your hunts. I want the variety and freshness we used to have in the ex roulette. It isn't useless to character progression either since you're there for the tomes, that's it.

here since ARR and expert always have been a coin flip between two boring dungeons, take your nostalgia gogles off, ex dr never had any freshness past week 1. and in what ex dr make your char progress outside of tomes ? the gear in it is dead on arrival (only the first two dungeons at the start of an expansion does it), and materias aren't a char progression. soooooo ?

[Valence]

here since ARR and expert always have been a coin flip between two boring dungeons, take your nostalgia gogles off, ex dr never had any freshness past week 1. and in what ex dr make your char progress outside of tomes ? the gear in it is dead on arrival (only the first two dungeons at the start of an expansion does it), and materias aren't a char progression. soooooo ?

Expert was between 3 dungeons in ARR. 2 later.

The big difference is that those dungeons didn't overstay their welcome past 3 months when the next patch came in and they got moved to high level roulette. Here we're essentially getting a taste of every dungeon for 8 months at minimum with the way they're interlaced (we play the dungeon of the previous major patch for the duration of whole current patch). Don't pretend this is the same.

[Doragan]

here since ARR and expert always have been a coin flip between two boring dungeons, take your nostalgia gogles off, ex dr never had any freshness past week 1. and in what ex dr make your char progress outside of tomes ? the gear in it is dead on arrival (only the first two dungeons at the start of an expansion does it), and materias aren't a char progression. soooooo ?

Again, gear is not the issue. Materia isn't the issue. Tomes aren't the issue. Having the same dungeons for 8 months is!
Maybe it didn't feel fresh for you at the time, and clearly you moved on from that since then. Alright. But that isn't the feeling I'm getting from the casual friends, players and the multiple casual FCs I've been in, and myself. I think it should be less monotonous and samey, as in the same exact dungeon for this amount of time. If you're not going to listen to that, then argue with your mother.

[Fatch38]

then argue with your mother.

maybe we should ask yours if she think she gave you a proper education.
i genuiely asked why bringing back 1 more dungeon if it bring nothing to the table. you gave me your point which i used counter point. when i said that outside of tomes it bring nothing to character progression you told me it does without saying in what it is relevant. you told me it's the most efficient wayt to get tomes, when i demonstrated it wasn't because hunt is (never said that hunt were fun but we were talking efficiency). then you bring the nostalgia but it's always has been 1 dungeon from previous patch +1/2 new dungeon with always that same structure that gets old after 2 weeks of doing them.
if you can't understand that, you're dumb as bread (proven from what i quoted)

before asking bring more dungeon you should ask to make them more fun to run first and make them feel different from each other (instead of being only hallway for w2w boss formula). that's why i love bardam's mette, it was fresh when it released but seems like we won't see those kinds of things done anymore.

[ZephyrMenodora]

what's the point of getting back to two dungeons ? they will still be boring and rewards nothing relevant to character progression (outside of tomes). i'd rather have variant dungeon be the structure to all dungeons coming instead.

and even adding 1 more dungeon again won't change expert dr getting old really fast.

An expert Roulette of 4 dungeons is better than when we get to the point we only have 2.