7.1 - More Wuk Lamat

[ZephyrMenodora]

If the healers are willing to stay and keep the actual party alive, everyone else can get up from their computers and Wuk will clear the trial on her own. I think you can go AFK during combat in every duty with Wuk as an NPC and she'll clear it on her own.

-.- Well, I can add this to my pile of Wuk's insufferableness.

[Volgia]

wanna say that WoL/meteor is mary sue ? really ? like the end of ARR didn't happened ? didn't lost our "power" in guardian of the lake ? we saved haurchefrant ? saved papalymo ? minfillia ? wol didn't get his b*tt kicked twice by zenos ? prevented y'shtola to being cut in half ? we can go on like this, you know if we really want to list every time wol failed
you probably don't know what is mary/gary sue then.

So? We still get everything we want in the end, most of the time not by our own efforts but the god given grace of Hydeaelyn herself. Wuk Lamat got herself as queen of resolve and saw her brother massacre her people and was unable to do anything, she watches her father die without being able to do anything, she has to cut her brother down despite the fact that she grew up loving him, we can make a case about any character like this and it is meaningless.

You have to admit, the 'Mary sue' thing is just an argument about nothing.

The only thing Wuk Lamat doesn't have by these standards is the weight of 5 expansions behind her as a main character.

The difference is though that the WoL is the player character. Yes they are a Mary sue but also the avatar of the player in a jrpg.
Wuk Lamat is the mirror of the WoL and would have been fine in her own game or a side story but here you have a main character that does main character things in a game that already has a main character while pushing the player character aside

Her self confidence has no catalyst to be overcome it just happens as well as her physical growth. It’s just there suddenly.
I don’t disagree that she had some kind of difference between the start of DT and the end but the progress was just not there.

If we call the WoL a Mary sue then we can also do that for Wuk Lamat because both are the same.
I really think she being the mirror of the WoL was even the intention of the writers.

A Mary sue is not necessarily a bad tool for a story but it has to fit and the only reason it works for the WoL is because they are the silent avatar of the player.

Damn finally, an honest response, since this is what it is. The fact that you can excuse us being a "mary sue" (which we aren't) but not Wuk meant the anger itself is coming from a "I hate it cuz it wasn't about me" place.

And here I'll say I'm completely fine if that's the position you want to take. It's this shallow justifying by 'experts in character analysis' trying to make it "Objectively bad" that's got me so tired.

This mentor thing is done, and her story is very likely to be over by 7.3, and tbh, I just want them to finish it and move on.

[Voidmage]

Zenos is the mirror of the player and they killed him off. Really makes you think.

Not saying that it’s a good mirror. More like those you see on a carnival but I think that was what the writers attempted at least (and failed spectacularly).

@the others
Believe me I am not defending Wuk Lamat or the writing here but the WoL isn’t a masterpiece of writing either I think.
I love my character but they only work because they are the player character. That’s my honest opinion on that.
That’s all I will say about that.

[Aneshda]

At this Point, SE should already sell the MSQ Skip for Dawntrail. Or give it every Player for free. Like place a Vendor in all Towns, so that Players can get 1 free Skip, if they like.

[AnimaAnimus]

Instead of more Wuk, 7.1 should open with us waking up in Rising Stones, sweat running down our face with Tataru running in and breaking down weeping because after our excusions in the 13th we fell into a tormented sleep that had us shaking and screaming for months. The trip to the new world was a fever delusion and now that we were awake we must find what happened to us. Let that story run its course 7.1-7.55 and then do a soft reboot and then just have us go to Myrecidia or even have a full fledged 13th shard expac in 8.0. We can go to the new world later but it needs to rest for awhile.

[Reimmi]

Please, just because you didn't like her or her journey you don't have to make things up. She has a journey, she struggles with self-confidence, you help her overcome that so she can properly take the reins after Gulool Ja Ja, if you felt it was awkwardly written or didn't like it that's fine. This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deus Ex Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?



You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

I feel like you're just making things up so she sounds like she has a character arc.
Her brother had more of an arc with 5% of the lines

Nobody criticizes the wol being a mary sue because they don't talk. You're supposed to imprint yourself onto them. When you give a mary sue a voice they become annoying (wuk)

It's also not a small group of people who are unhappy- japan/china etc are unhappy with the story as well, and they are completely disconnected from the english VA so that's a non issue to them.

[Dante131]

That's a pretty unfalsifiable thing to say. How do you even know that? Like people could take a break from the game, or they could drop it for whatever reason and you can just still justify it on DT 'being bad'



Yikes.



If only, I didn't like Lyse. I didn't go around 1000 posts saying how she was the symptom of the end of FFXIV. That's what makes it whining.

if the comments are valid critique its not whining. Lyse was not the strongest character thats not a secret, pointing this out is not whining no matter how you hard you want it to frame that way. If it would be Lyse just so bad as a single comment yes i would agree. But as far as i know people did state their problems with her or WL or whatever charakter they dont like. if theres a reason and this reason is not total garbage like i dont like her hair its valid critique period. I can give you a page long list why people complain about stuff and you would still frame it whining because somebody dislikes your gem i guess. Anyway most people i know give critique for improve stuff and not just for whining hateing or whatever you´ll call that. Instead of posting stuff like you guys are whining you can give arguments and well show people why they are wrong instead.

cheers mate

[Dante131]

You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

actually it is ... i worked in hotels for 6 years in my life. If the menu is steak then its steak if guest orders it and get soup he is obviously allowed to complain. if the guest gets soup after it again then yes the restaurant person is maybe not competent and probably will be fired ...

I dont say fire all of them but the people who worked on the story and the ones said its good how it is. They are to blame if theres no change well change of personal might be a solution ...

[AnimaAnimus]

The thing I don't understand, and maybe its a cultural thing since Japan is really diofferent in a lot of regards, is that Yoshida would win so so so much good will of his customers if he would simply say, "Hey, we messed up. I see that now. I am sorry and we will try to do better in the coming patches, but big changes may not be feasable and WL will still be present in the upcoming patches albeit with some hopefully positive changes to her character. So we will do our best where we can and hopefully our next arc will be able to better meet your expectations." Blizzard just did it, and that won them a lot of good will after likely the lowest point they have ever been and frankly TWW has put WoW back in a pretty decent place. I am sure he is 100% talking to his shareholders in these articles though, instead of us.

[Mortex]

The thing I don't understand, and maybe its a cultural thing since Japan is really diofferent in a lot of regards, is that Yoshida would win so so so much good will of his customers if he would simply say, "Hey, we messed up. I see that now. I am sorry and we will try to do better in the coming patches, but big changes may not be feasable and WL will still be present in the upcoming patches albeit with some hopefully positive changes to her character. So we will do our best where we can and hopefully our next arc will be able to better meet your expectations." Blizzard just did it, and that won them a lot of good will after likely the lowest point they have ever been and frankly TWW has put WoW back in a pretty decent place. I am sure he is 100% talking to his shareholders in these articles though, instead of us.

I think what people hate the most atm is the doubling down and telling us that we just “misunderstood” wuk after they tried to shove her down our throats for around 8-9 hours of story and still couldn’t write any decent story arc and character development. Like ffs the one area were we are free from wuk is us chasing a necklace from wuk for here caretaker. In a rubber bullet western town like Christ almighty it’s not like we had people shoot others or the other spicy one with self shooting and stuff. When you want some grey and then you get Disney music while you build a train bomb (it’s so out of place and cringe worthy) then I really wanna know what the story people smoked too think this would work in a situation like this.