7.1 - More Wuk Lamat

[Volgia]

I would say a lot of people would have no problems if it would be wuks story if wuk wasn’t written like a complete Mary sue. She has no journey because a journey implies you fail and stand back up after a failure. People love heroes stories where the hero struggles and doesn’t always win but comes back after getting down. She doesn’t struggle in any meaningful way at all, and that is just piss boring. It’s the same reason people hate rey “Skywalker” Palpatine, because she can fight a trained sith and mind trick just because she can. Wuk feels like a self insert character at the end of the Dawntrail story. She has a comment for almost every other character interaction that isn’t hers, and don’t forget she buffs you in the end trial while it took all scions in endwalker helping you survive the end singer attack or how shtola calls wuk too ASK IF WE ARE THERE. It’s just completely off the rails self insert at this point in time. Like people call her a shounen protagonist for a reason, she feels like if Naruto Uzumaki was badly written and both do the talk no jutsu a lot. She is portrayed as a underdog that steps up (like Naruto) but has no major setback or failures (unlike Naruto who gets beaten and fails and has major character development over the span of the manga/anime) while wuk doesn't.

Please, just because you didn't like her or her journey you don't have to make things up. She has a journey, she struggles with self-confidence, you help her overcome that so she can properly take the reins after Gulool Ja Ja, if you felt it was awkwardly written or didn't like it that's fine. This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deus Ex Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?

More like being at a restaurant ordering steak and getting soup but paying the same price then asking for the steak only too get soup again (Dawntrail story in a nutshell) so of course people complain

You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

[ovIm]

This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deux Es Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?

Oh dude, she absolutely is a Mary Sue - almost every scene in DT has Wuk Lamat at the center. Kinda understandeable in the first half, less so in the second. During 7.0 MSQ, the character literally has twice as many words as Sphene, a character who is not introduced until the latter third of the story. The writing constantly pushed other characters in the background so they could make Wuk Lamat talk.

I don't dislike Wuk Lamat as a character, however the way the writers pushed her into the spotlight during the story is very noticeable.

[Daralii]

Oh dude, she absolutely is a Mary Sue - almost every scene in DT has Wuk Lamat at the center. Kinda understandeable in the first half, less so in the second. During 7.0 MSQ, the character literally has twice as many words as Sphene, a character who is not introduced until the latter third of the story. The writing constantly pushed other characters in the background so they could make Wuk Lamat talk.

I don't dislike Wuk Lamat as a character, however the way the writers pushed her into the spotlight during the story is very noticeable.

I typically hate TVTropes, but it has a page that almost perfectly describes Wuk Lamat, especially at the end.

The very laws of the universe bend to accommodate her. If there's only one in a million chance she could succeed at something, she'll accomplish it with flying colors. If the logical outcome of the story would end in her failure, a Deus ex Machina will ensure her victory. Nothing is too implausible for her to accomplish, whether it be going from Rags to Royalty, killing an Eldritch Abomination, or bringing about world peace. Even the most disdainful and unmoving characters will be Easily Impressed with her. Is there some great deity of unimaginable power in the setting? Expect her to have them astounded by her abilities. If she is so inclined, she may do all that before sitting down to a breakfast consisting of the original story.

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Because of this, the character just ends up rather boring to witness. Heroes might be naturally predisposed to winning and some villains might never seem to be taken care of, but Black Hole Sue does away with anything resembling logic to prop up the characters. It stops being a story and just becomes more like a fictionalized resume of improbably fantastic deeds.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...n/BlackHoleSue

[Fatch38]

This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deus Ex Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?

wanna say that WoL/meteor is mary sue ? really ? like the end of ARR didn't happened ? didn't lost our "power" in guardian of the lake ? we saved haurchefrant ? saved papalymo ? minfillia ? wol didn't get his b*tt kicked twice by zenos ? prevented y'shtola to being cut in half ? we can go on like this, you know if we really want to list every time wol failed
you probably don't know what is mary/gary sue then.

[Reimmi]

Please, just because you didn't like her or her journey you don't have to make things up. She has a journey, she struggles with self-confidence, you help her overcome that so she can properly take the reins after Gulool Ja Ja, if you felt it was awkwardly written or didn't like it that's fine. This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deus Ex Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?



You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

I feel like you're just making things up so she sounds like she has a character arc.
Her brother had more of an arc with 5% of the lines

Nobody criticizes the wol being a mary sue because they don't talk. You're supposed to imprint yourself onto them. When you give a mary sue a voice they become annoying (wuk)

It's also not a small group of people who are unhappy- japan/china etc are unhappy with the story as well, and they are completely disconnected from the english VA so that's a non issue to them.

[Dante131]

You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

actually it is ... i worked in hotels for 6 years in my life. If the menu is steak then its steak if guest orders it and get soup he is obviously allowed to complain. if the guest gets soup after it again then yes the restaurant person is maybe not competent and probably will be fired ...

I dont say fire all of them but the people who worked on the story and the ones said its good how it is. They are to blame if theres no change well change of personal might be a solution ...

[Volgia]

actually it is ... i worked in hotels for 6 years in my life. If the menu is steak then its steak if guest orders it and get soup he is obviously allowed to complain. if the guest gets soup after it again then yes the restaurant person is maybe not competent and probably will be fired ...

I dont say fire all of them but the people who worked on the story and the ones said its good how it is. They are to blame if theres no change well change of personal might be a solution ...

You got your slow pace in the beginning in a split zone, your amp up to the first trial, your climax at level 96, your turning point trial at 99 and your emotional zone at level 100.

You get your 5 dungeons, your 3 trials (with 2 extreme versions of it) and your 4 raids. You get your two new extra jobs, and a bunch of new things to craft

Exactly what was different? It's not soup, if anything it's the same old steak getting stale.

There is PLENTY to crticize about Dawntrail, there is plenty to point out in order to improve and instead we're here crying over one character that's pretty much gonna be gone soon.