7.1 - More Wuk Lamat

[Coratanni]

For the poeople saying that up to 7.3 is locked in, Yoshi-P had an interview this month at PAX Australia where he seems to be saying the opposite.



Seems like they have decided that the players who dislike Wuk Lamat are wrong and only don't like her because she wasn't given proper development, so they intend to angle 7.1 and onward to correct that by having more of her.

full interview is here
https://checkpointgaming.net/feature...-of-dawntrail/

I don't advocate for people getting fired too often, but... If they truly believe this, then everyone in management in the FFXIV team should be fired yesterday. Once you start treating your customer as if you know better on what they should want and you willingly ignore their complaints, you've lost your place in the circle of business.

[Carin-Eri]

I don't advocate for people getting fired too often, but... If they truly believe this, then everyone in management in the FFXIV team should be fired yesterday. Once you start treating your customer as if you know better on what they should want and you willingly ignore their complaints, you've lost your place in the circle of business.

Having been on the receiving end of a MMO that did just that in response to something player's practically begged for over eight years, I'm forced to agree.

[Volgia]

I don't advocate for people getting fired too often, but... If they truly believe this, then everyone in management in the FFXIV team should be fired yesterday. Once you start treating your customer as if you know better on what they should want and you willingly ignore their complaints, you've lost your place in the circle of business.

This post feels akin to those ladies who walk into a walmart and demand everyone be fired because they didn't have what they wanted in the store.

[fioravictorine]

I don't advocate for people getting fired too often, but... If they truly believe this, then everyone in management in the FFXIV team should be fired yesterday. Once you start treating your customer as if you know better on what they should want and you willingly ignore their complaints, you've lost your place in the circle of business.

Yeah the interview read like,

"It's players who dont understand the greatness of this character we created, we're going to show you more to prove her greatness!"

[Mortex]

The salt is REAL.

I found her to be fine, this is her story and I enjoyed it. It's the best thing that's happened to these forums because people like you really love to moan and whine about her nonstop.

I don't want them to drop her and skew the story just because a couple of people dislike her, I want them to finish it and move on.

I would say a lot of people would have no problems if it would be wuks story if wuk wasn’t written like a complete Mary sue. She has no journey because a journey implies you fail and stand back up after a failure. People love heroes stories where the hero struggles and doesn’t always win but comes back after getting down. She doesn’t struggle in any meaningful way at all, and that is just piss boring. It’s the same reason people hate rey “Skywalker” Palpatine, because she can fight a trained sith and mind trick just because she can. Wuk feels like a self insert character at the end of the Dawntrail story. She has a comment for almost every other character interaction that isn’t hers, and don’t forget she buffs you in the end trial while it took all scions in endwalker helping you survive the end singer attack or how shtola calls wuk too ASK IF WE ARE THERE. It’s just completely off the rails self insert at this point in time. Like people call her a shounen protagonist for a reason, she feels like if Naruto Uzumaki was badly written and both do the talk no jutsu a lot. She is portrayed as a underdog that steps up (like Naruto) but has no major setback or failures (unlike Naruto who gets beaten and fails and has major character development over the span of the manga/anime) while wuk doesn't.

[Mortex]

This post feels akin to those ladies who walk into a walmart and demand everyone be fired because they didn't have what they wanted in the store.

More like being at a restaurant ordering steak and getting soup but paying the same price then asking for the steak only too get soup again (Dawntrail story in a nutshell) so of course people complain.

[Volgia]

I would say a lot of people would have no problems if it would be wuks story if wuk wasn’t written like a complete Mary sue. She has no journey because a journey implies you fail and stand back up after a failure. People love heroes stories where the hero struggles and doesn’t always win but comes back after getting down. She doesn’t struggle in any meaningful way at all, and that is just piss boring. It’s the same reason people hate rey “Skywalker” Palpatine, because she can fight a trained sith and mind trick just because she can. Wuk feels like a self insert character at the end of the Dawntrail story. She has a comment for almost every other character interaction that isn’t hers, and don’t forget she buffs you in the end trial while it took all scions in endwalker helping you survive the end singer attack or how shtola calls wuk too ASK IF WE ARE THERE. It’s just completely off the rails self insert at this point in time. Like people call her a shounen protagonist for a reason, she feels like if Naruto Uzumaki was badly written and both do the talk no jutsu a lot. She is portrayed as a underdog that steps up (like Naruto) but has no major setback or failures (unlike Naruto who gets beaten and fails and has major character development over the span of the manga/anime) while wuk doesn't.

Please, just because you didn't like her or her journey you don't have to make things up. She has a journey, she struggles with self-confidence, you help her overcome that so she can properly take the reins after Gulool Ja Ja, if you felt it was awkwardly written or didn't like it that's fine. This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deus Ex Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?

More like being at a restaurant ordering steak and getting soup but paying the same price then asking for the steak only too get soup again (Dawntrail story in a nutshell) so of course people complain

You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

[Talael]

I will just skip the Main Story quests till she never appears again. If they even repeat this in another expansion, i stop playing this game.

[Mortex]

Please, just because you didn't like her or her journey you don't have to make things up. She has a journey, she struggles with self-confidence, you help her overcome that so she can properly take the reins after Gulool Ja Ja, if you felt it was awkwardly written or didn't like it that's fine. This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deux Es Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?



You didn't order anything, they offered the steak and you didn't like it. You can tell all your friends you didn't like it, but that's not enough grounds to go and ask for everyone in that restaurant to be fired. You can go and choose to not return to the restaurant too, that's completely fine.

Here's the thing though, a group of people didn't like the game, so they are trying to build a narrative that the only people who would like any of this are either "Mentally ill" or fringe people in discord servers, truth be told some people enjoyed it and most people thought it was fine.

I've put it in other posts, but I've been very critical of this game ever since I joined the forums, and there are reasons why I would drop it, but none of them would be because of an obtuse told story or a divisive main character.

Oh no the poor baby “main” character has self confidence problems for 10 quests oh lord in heaven whatever shall she do….. maybe we talk about tacos and piece again because we didn’t hear that for the 100 times from wuk. Almost all fictional character are not very self confident and trying to sell this as a hero’s journey is kinda uff. I mean I didn’t saw lyse ripping through a dimension to talk no jutsu with zenos. Like even lyse who was a volcano of bad character writing is miles ahead of wuk in that regard. Because lyse at least had some motivation why she does it and not “peace good”.

Also we paid money for the expansion and still pay money monthly for content that does last around 1 month and we wait 4 months for new content in a Story MMO that has a bad story almost no people care about anymore because it has a overbearing Mary sue character. So effectively we still sit in the restaurant and wait for the steak while getting soup. Because you might not believe it but I still like the game and play some times with my friends the non existing content.

[ovIm]

This whole "Mary Sue" business is such a buzzword of nothing. We, the WoL, are a mary sue. The only person who truly hates us is Zenos number 1 fanboy, we literally Deux Es Machina every single final boss and yet you don't put these criticisms to Meteor. So what gives?

Oh dude, she absolutely is a Mary Sue - almost every scene in DT has Wuk Lamat at the center. Kinda understandeable in the first half, less so in the second. During 7.0 MSQ, the character literally has twice as many words as Sphene, a character who is not introduced until the latter third of the story. The writing constantly pushed other characters in the background so they could make Wuk Lamat talk.

I don't dislike Wuk Lamat as a character, however the way the writers pushed her into the spotlight during the story is very noticeable.