Is it time to Sunset FFXIV?

[Teno]

I dunno your playstyle but maybe try slowing down a bit? I know many people who rushed through the story and then complain they have nothing to do. I took my time and did all side quest before moving onto the next zone and it allowed me to enjoy the story more and also explore the zones more too. The improvements I talk about are more hardware related such as better graphics and more once PS4 support is dropped that is holding back the game. Maybe get into decorating your home and invite friends over or you don't have friends in the first place?

I take ample time in games, my playthroughs are usually twice as long as the average player and I know how I want to experience it. Still, beyond the visual novel there's simply not much to do if you want combat.

Side quests can be interesting for lore but they're not this xpac. They're boring to play too. I played TWW and all the puzzles were refreshing.

And since the visual novel was pretty bad this time around...
At least there's still pvp.

[JuicyHeals]

Honestly pretty sad how complacent some are with the state of the game.

[PharisHanasaki]

While I agree with some of the points being made, I would like to remind us that we brought some of this upon ourselves. Take AST for example, the job was flexible, could be played as regen or shields, had buffs and debuffs, and a card deck that could be played multiple ways (enhanced buffs, AoE buffs, or buffs with extended duration). It was not perfect, and RNG was a bit frustrating at times, but it was fun to play. Then we get a minority in the forums, who mind you were not even healer mains, complaining about how awfully hard the job is, how the only useful card was The Balance because we focus on DMG more than fun play, and every other card was garbage because it messes my rotation, etc, and the job was dumbed down and homogenized to a point where you are practically playing any other healer. They attempted to diversify the buff kit once again, but for me it still doesn't feel interesting or fun to play AST anymore, if anything it feels like a chore. And don't get me started on SCH.

Homogenization of roles killed the fun.

Story wise, I don't feel like the majority here. I don't know what you guys were expecting, but for me it was a fun start. We got closure to the Hydaelyn ark in EW, so DT is kind of like the ARR of whatever is to come next. I don't think anyone had fun running to and from the Waking Sands, but at that point we were all new to the game and had so much to do that it kept us distracted from the slow pacing and chore-ish bits of the story. ARR was awfully long before they cut off some of the quests. To me, despite the odd bits here and there, the experience was positive.

SB is still the worst expansion in my opinion, Lyse < Wuk Lamat by a mile, I was glad she left the scions for good. Wuk Lamat is not my favorite either, but I don't think she's going to join us permanently (fingers crossed) so I don't mind. The pacing of SB was so bad finishing the MSQ was a pain for me. Shinryu was amazing though. The patches were much better, but the main expansion was B.A.D.

[george357]

well lets start with you don't pay my sub and this whole attack by trolls telling the companty to scrap ffxiv will not happen they need to purge the forums of these nasty trolls and bring order back to the forums.

[Supersnow845]

well lets start with you don't pay my sub and this whole attack by trolls telling the companty to scrap ffxiv will not happen they need to purge the forums of these nasty trolls and bring order back to the forums.

I don’t even want them to sunset FFXIV but “you don’t pay my sub” is such a dumb argument

I can just say “you don’t pay my sub so you don’t have a right to tell me I can’t ask the game to be sunset”

[Havenchild]

While I agree with some of the points being made, I would like to remind us that we brought some of this upon ourselves. Take AST for example, the job was flexible, could be played as regen or shields, had buffs and debuffs, and a card deck that could be played multiple ways (enhanced buffs, AoE buffs, or buffs with extended duration). It was not perfect, and RNG was a bit frustrating at times, but it was fun to play. Then we get a minority in the forums, who mind you were not even healer mains, complaining about how awfully hard the job is, how the only useful card was The Balance because we focus on DMG more than fun play, and every other card was garbage because it messes my rotation, etc, and the job was dumbed down and homogenized to a point where you are practically playing any other healer. They attempted to diversify the buff kit once again, but for me it still doesn't feel interesting or fun to play AST anymore, if anything it feels like a chore. And don't get me started on SCH.

Homogenization of roles killed the fun.

Story wise, I don't feel like the majority here. I don't know what you guys were expecting, but for me it was a fun start. We got closure to the Hydaelyn ark in EW, so DT is kind of like the ARR of whatever is to come next. I don't think anyone had fun running to and from the Waking Sands, but at that point we were all new to the game and had so much to do that it kept us distracted from the slow pacing and chore-ish bits of the story. ARR was awfully long before they cut off some of the quests. To me, despite the odd bits here and there, the experience was positive.

SB is still the worst expansion in my opinion, Lyse < Wuk Lamat by a mile, I was glad she left the scions for good. Wuk Lamat is not my favorite either, but I don't think she's going to join us permanently (fingers crossed) so I don't mind. The pacing of SB was so bad finishing the MSQ was a pain for me. Shinryu was amazing though. The patches were much better, but the main expansion was B.A.D.

I will disagree slightly here in that AST mains were complaining here as well and those complaints were at least accurate. People just have a hard time accepting here that their "requests" tend to have unforseen consequences because they don't tend to be well thought out from the beginning.

[Feathetaria]

I play this game for Story, Socializing and Housing. If i wanted to play an mmo for its combat and gearing, I would go back to WoW Classic, where upgrading to better gear is insanely rewarding and can feel like night and day when you finally obtain that epic weapon or trinket you've been wanting (and then you go annihilate some players with it in pvp). Even world drops in WoW make adventuring in the world and leveling up more rewarding. I feel like ffxiv has 0 rare items in the old zones and dungeons, no world drops. Also there are no specs / talent builds. Everyone is same.

FFXIV players are literally missing out because the devs never put any super rare items in the game that unexpectedly show up making everyone freak out and say "OMG WHAT?!?!? NO WAY!!! WTF! IT DROPPED". Whether it's in the world or in a dungeon, the only "rare" things i've seen in this game are locked to a certain boss. I think what it comes down to is that i wish "Trash mobs" had more meaning in the game other than just being a roadblock. Trashmobs don't even drop gear, you don't even have to loot them, and gear doesn't even have different qualities like common, rare, epic, etc. Stats are bland and as a lvl 90 ninja i feel like i could gain 1000 dex mid combat and i wouldn't even notice the difference because i feel like I am hitting with a rolled up piece of paper for a weapon anyway. Hypothetically, if i wanted to PVE and PVP Seriously and Commit, why would i want to raid in FFXIV and get a new BiS Rolled Up Paper weapon when i could be playing WoW TBC Classic on a Private Server and get Warglaives of Azzinoth, then make everyone jealous in pve and scared of me in pvp as I wield incredible power that so few players have?

I don't plan to ever play WoW again. I love FFXIV and am here to stay, but I can also say that without a major Itemization and Combat Overhaul, I 1000% will not be investing into this game's pve and pvp. I will continue to just do MSQ for Story while I continue to be a Housing Design Addict and Social Butterfly ♥<3

[Naomi_Sinclaire]

I think DT was meant to be a somewhat slow start to the new saga since it is suppose to be the ARR equivalent for the new saga and the next 10 years too. I'm currently working on several achievements on two characters that are my mains, so I have plenty to do. Maybe those that need something to do can create an alt and start over from ARR or take a break and play other games for now. 8.0 should see more improvements since I think PS4 support will finally end as it'll be 13 years old by then and it's holding the game back. Add ray tracing and more and this game can look modern with a 4k/UHD optional texture pack that really makes the game look modern and the story goes into higher gear like HW was after ARR.

I waited 9 months with hardly any content for the last part of Endwalker, & now in Dawntrail we've got nothing but a savage tier, 2 Exs, and a few dungeons. Where's the midcore/casual content outside of raiding? I could be doing TOP right now but I'm not, simply because there's nothing to do in the downtime between parties. This game is severely lacking any non-raid content right now (+ slow patch releases) & it shows.

[klu]

No.

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[SaltyDaddy]

I feel like the game (Devs, writers, etc..) has painted itself into a corner. Maybe it's time to focus on the next MMO and start over. This one isn't fun anymore and I don't know how we can recover from it. They whole formula that it was built upon is stagnant. The game shouldn't drop to a lull in things to do and play time just in a few months after the release of a major expansion.. the brand is suffering.

This reminds me of a lot of WOW players screaming for WOW 2. But if the devs of said "WOW 2" would be same, as previous one... would it be trully better?