Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

As for the JP mindset, I still believe we're moving closer towards that. Just need more and higher quality commanders till the majority of games have one rather than don't.

Possibly true on Shatter, which later today we'll hopefully learn has been scrapped.

But doesn't JP work more to your liking because all three teams tend to have a competent commander? There's a very long way to go on NA for that to happen. Unless, of course, three-tier matchmaking is introduced.

[Mawlzy]

Oh I agree that spamming one same line 10 times in a row is stupid and helps no one, but I have also seen people consider a 3-2-1 burst countdown macro as spam, so I'm just wondering what's generally considered as spam on NA.

I'd regard 3-2-1-go macros as spam when accompanied by SFX on each command. A yell of when Salted Earth can next be cast is far more efficient, and gives the DRK more flexibility in optimizing their attack. FL moves fast. Announcing your dive 4 seconds before it happens is inefficient.

But the real excesses go well beyond that macro. I'm using "spam" to mean constant repetition of the same macro when nothing in the current situation has changed. It's just performative noise.

[FROSTEDFLAKE]

But the real excesses go well beyond that macro. I'm using "spam" to mean constant repetition of the same macro when nothing in the current situation has changed. It's just performative noise.

Im gonna be honest with you, if you think a sound in a video is that detrimental to your real life, I think you should give video game a break because there is a lot of sounds in them :P

[Mawlzy]

Im gonna be honest with you, if you think a sound in a video is that detrimental to your real life, I think you should give video game a break because there is a lot of sounds in them :P

Thank you for taking the trouble to join the forums to share your concern for my wellbeing.

[saucyshortcake]

i've yet to meet an NA commander that's "quality" anyway.

All NA commander is the same.
Step 1 DRK pull
Step 2 aoe spam
Step 3 run away with tail tucked until pull is off cooldown

this is most basic of "commanding" and can be done by anyone. it is no real skill and takes only a few macros. there is much downtime and very inefficient use of the team.

[Mawlzy]

i've yet to meet an NA commander that's "quality" anyway.

All NA commander is the same.
Step 1 DRK pull
Step 2 aoe spam
Step 3 run away with tail tucked until pull is off cooldown

this is most basic of "commanding" and can be done by anyone. it is no real skill and takes only a few macros. there is much downtime and very inefficient use of the team.

There is definitely a cookie-cutter NA commander who is doing little beyond keeping the team in the same place, which has value but is not difficult. That said, I'd suggest there's a subset of commanders who are demonstrably better strategically, thus there's an element of skill. Olivia, for example, is two steps ahead of most of her clones when it comes to overall map awareness and speed of decisions.

However, I strongly agree with your point about the inefficiency of the approach, particularly when a waymarker is involved and the downtime it produces.

The DRK burst doesn't need to involve the whole team. In fact the premade can invariably wipe the players caught in the draw-in. When the DRK rushes back to wait out the next 30 seconds, the waymarker tends to drag the entire team back with them. Thus all these players are doing is providing a meat shield to prevent the premade from being focused.

Maybe this is the idea? But it massively underutilizes the bulk of the team IMO.

[Mawlzy]

Anyone else feeling deflated and despondent after the live letter?

There were several positive noises coming from SE the last few months about giving PvP/FL some love and resources. Instead this "doing something in 7.1 that will be added to in 7.2" sounds like kicking the can down the road. Again.

X.1 has always been the PvP update, and yet despite the lengthening patch cycles this feels like we're being shuffled to the bottom of the deck.

I guess the mistake I made was being excited for potential changes.

[Valence]

If it means dedicating more resources into not fudging the 7.1 CC pvp release I'm fine with it. But it sure feels like pvp is an afterthought when it comes to FLs.

Watch melees' DR being buffed needlessly even more while ranged keep being tactical point fodder.

[OliviaLugria]

If it's anything like pve, then most the changes will be bad.

[Mawlzy]

If it means dedicating more resources into not fudging the 7.1 CC pvp release I'm fine with it. But it sure feels like pvp is an afterthought when it comes to FLs.

Watch melees' DR being buffed needlessly even more while ranged keep being tactical point fodder.

I see your point, but I'm not sure why they need this additional time from November through March to avoid screwing it up. It's not like the PvP "team" has been overburdened with projects the last two years.