Quote Originally Posted by Raven2014 View Post
If I kill the human Otis, then I murder a human.

If I kill the mechanical Otis who actually contain the original soul, in extension it can be also a murder of a unique soul/being.

The problem with the S9 Otis is its existence is a proof that it's not a unique entity. So if the S9 Otis can be create without the original soul but with just mere data, if a 2nd copy can be created, why not 3, why not 10, why not 100? So if I delete the S9 data and the system had created 100 copies of him, am I guilty of murdering 100 Otis?

I said this in a similar thread before, the concept of the Endless (digitalize consciousness) is not news, it has been done many times before. And every time, for this concept to hold water they all have to follow one cardinal rule: there is only one existence to a life. It is the absolutely rule that must be follow for the story of a digital being to have the same impact as a real person. In Zegapain, each individual is a unique quantum package. In Ghost of the Shell or Tokyo Necro, even when an individual has multiple "backup" version of themselves, only one can be active as a time when it host the original consciousness.

By having 2 Otis exist as the time time, the writer of the Endless violated the core principal for this concept to work which make everything that follow to be meaningless garbage. No matter how hard they try to insert the moral or emotional triggers into it, it doesn't change the fact that all I did was shut down a program with no unique individuality.




No, this is not cloning. Cloning is a technology we already have in the 20th century. Cloning doesn't copy a person, nor the memory. You have someone with the exact same DNA but that clone will have to grow up, lead a different life, and experience different thing. The fact the Endless is an exact copy of "memory" without the original soul means if anything, it's about as far away from an actual clone would be.
Yes because endless Otis is not the same “being” as original Otis but is still a being worthy of consideration of life because he has sapience

This is what I think people miss about moral discussions about the endless. The endless are not the people whose memories were used to create them, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t beings in their own right, almost all of the endless who speak show an ability to evolve and grow beyond the temporal lock the system spits them out into so they show sapience

By “killing” endless Otis you aren’t killing Otis, you are killing endless Otis who is a different unique entity and there is no suggestion that the system can create two endless of one person at the same time, so you are killing the unique entity “endless Otis” who ISNT Otis