Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Carin-Eri]

And then. we fight Zoraal Ja. Up to that point, its all about how Wuk Lamat is gonna do it all on her own and we need to stand back becuase this is family business. WOL fights Zoraal Ja. WOL kills Zoraal Ja. Because that's how this game works. Bad guys fight WOL, bad guys die. And the story line acts like that isn't what just happend. I was so irritated by that, I almost lost my dinner. Which is way too strong of a reaction. But that's what it made me want to do. Puke up the whole thing. Spit it out like rancid meat.

Whilst that story element did irk me a little, I let it slip because, in fairness, Wuk Lamat knew Zoraal Ja pretty much all her life and certainly knew him - as a person - far better than the Warrior of Light could have.

No - it was the final battle that really annoyed me as there was no such excuse there. She didn't know Sphene any better than the Warrior of Light did.
Wuk Lamat's interference in that fight was inexcusable and completely unnecessary. Queen Eternal outright said that the Warrior of Light was the "single greatest threat" - as should be the case. And this worked really well - it made sense and put the WoL back in the spotlight! Fighting the big-bad is what the WoL does best and the first segment of the Trial was fantastic. And then Wuk Lamat gatecrashes the fight and makes herself the single greatest threat. This was the single greatest insult the writers could've presented us with in my opinion; it undermined the Warrior of Light's significance. And so far as I am concerned she didn't do or say anything that couldn't have happened without her direct involvement!

[Allegor]

Wuk Lamat's interference in that fight was inexcusable and completely unnecessary.

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

[TaleraRistain]

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

It's because they didn't lay the groundwork to establish a reason why it was necessary.

The Scions praying for us to be protected in Endwalker made sense. We had been through hell and back with them. They were our found family. Of course in a place where emotions rule, our connecton to them will have power. Even Zenos breaking in makes sense. Whatever people might think of him and his reasons for coming to help us, that man has been our biggest cheerleader. He pops in and is like "Isn't it dead yet?" because he has absolute confidence that *of course* we can beat this. We're us. We can do anything. He's kind of an interesting foil in that regard to G'raha because they both read about heroes when they were younger and wanted to meet one. He hero worships us in his own way. Plus the WoL had just sent all their friends away and was possibly thinking they weren't coming back. I can't help but think someone showing up with absolute confidence in us in a realm where emotion has power didn't strengthen us in some manner.

But we didn't have that history with Wuk Lamat. They tried to tell us in Dawntrail that our characters were close and best friends and relied on each other but they didn't lay the groundwork so the player could come to feel that way toward the character. That's why it was so off-putting and insulting. Especially after they had thrown that token "You're the biggest threat" line in there from Queen Eternal. There was nothing we needed from Wuk Lamat so she felt like an invader.

[SeriousPan]

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

I'm not the biggest G'Raha fan but I find it gauling that out of everyone that could exploit the 'rift in reality' (Wuk should not be calling it that, she is not smart enough to refer to things this way.) it's Wuk and not G'Raha. lol You're telling me the Crystal Exarch couldn't take advantage of the weakning magicks around him and he just got thrown around but the warrior could? Insanity.

[honest_psycho]

I'm not the biggest G'Raha fan but I find it gauling that out of everyone that could exploit the 'rift in reality' (Wuk should not be calling it that, she is not smart enough to refer to things this way.) it's Wuk and not G'Raha. lol You're telling me the Crystal Exarch couldn't take advantage of the weakning magicks around him and he just got thrown around but the warrior could? Insanity.

Oh silly you, of course our dearest Wuk Lamat learnt all there is about magic-quantum-programming while we were in Shaaloani with Erenvill, she's perfect after all, that's no problem for her!
She was only suprised by the 'rift of reality' because she missed a ';'.
She was in total control all the time!
How dare you speak ill of our perfect Dawnservant!

/S

[lolnotacat]

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

I was done the moment bun mom told us flipping the power switch on the endless was totally OK and we shrugged our shoulders, going along with it like some mammet.

[ZXN]

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

It's definitely is because it comes out of absolutely nowhere and it's not really earned or needed.

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yes: I said HER triumph over Sphene. If you remember the dialogue: Wuk is telling Sphene to face HER, not US. On top of that: we can only stand back up after the second Absolute Authority because Wuk's determination is giving us the strength to do so. Once again, Wuk is a natural at utilizing Dynamis it seems. They literally put the "victory lap" trigger at the 30% HP Mark just to absolutely make sure Wuk got her moment of triumph against her big antagonist.

This entire sequence was not needed in the first place and was pretty much forced upon everyone because it is Wuk Lamat's expansion, and the writers have dictated that nothing can be accomplished without Wuk Lamat there in someway.

[ovIm]

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yet, the issue with Wuk Lamat is that she was not confident enough, right? /s

Not gonna lie, I cringe internally whenever I get into that fight. That awful killsteal by Wuk Lamat just overshadows the otherwise cool fight. Of course, having us defeat Queen Eternal by ourselves would have been a stain on Wuk Lamats perfect track record, and we can't have that now, can we?

That awful buff you get where she is inspiring you because she is such an awesome and strong character was the icing on that shitcake.

[Carin-Eri]

It's definitely is because it comes out of absolutely nowhere and it's not really earned or needed.

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yes: I said HER triumph over Sphene. If you remember the dialogue: Wuk is telling Sphene to face HER, not US. On top of that: we can only stand back up after the second Absolute Authority because Wuk's determination is giving us the strength to do so. Once again, Wuk is a natural at utilizing Dynamis it seems. They literally put the "victory lap" trigger at the 30% HP Mark just to absolutely make sure Wuk got her moment of triumph against her big antagonist.

This entire sequence was not needed in the first place and was pretty much forced upon everyone because it is Wuk Lamat's expansion, and the writers have dictated that nothing can be accomplished without Wuk Lamat there in someway.

Totally agree.

I said in an earlier post that I didn't take much issue with Wuk Lamat taking the credit with regard to the Zooral Ja fight; she knew him pretty much all her life and certainly knew him - as a person - far better than the Warrior of Light could have. I was therefore able to view that as 'her' fight.

However, no such logic can be applied to the Queen Eternal fight. If defeating Zooral Ja was Wuk Lamat's fight, then defeating Queen Eternal should've been the Warrior of Light's fight. But the story clearly (and inexplicably) couldn't tolerate that.

In a meta sense, it was very poor writing - it started so well, but they killed the momentum to give Wuk Lamat ANOTHER "big hero" moment. It felt like they were going for another "Light the Way", or Emet saving the WoL from Elidibus, moment but really didn't understand why it worked in those two instances.

[honest_psycho]

I just like how as divisive as DT is overall, this (*last trial) seems to be the moment everyone agreed was the final nail.

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.