Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Coratanni]

I'd also add Tesleen's transformation, the gunshot, and pretty much the entirety of 5.3. HW is still my favorite overall, but ShB had some great highlights.

Honestly I was unmoved by Tesleen's transformation, because of the circumstances of how she let herself get killed by the Sin Eater. I basically just shrugged my shoulders and said,"So she's too stupid to live in this world apparently. NEVER turn your back on a Sineater..."

[honest_psycho]

Sure some might say "If Dawntrail's post MSQ wasn't good then it'll get better in 8.0! Don't be such a downer!" but...WoW players have played with that "It'll get better next expansion" mindset for literal years and that mindset made so many players miserable.

I'm just scared man, I don't know where to go if FF14 goes the same road as WoW or Pokemon (Sword/Shield), Genshin peaked with Sumeru and is becoming more and more of a snoozefest.
I tried Guildwars2 but it needed way more visual polish and actual controllersupport (not judging if its good or bad, mind you).

If I could make a wish, I would wish for Ryushiki07 (author of Higurashi/Umineko) to write the next expac.
But alas, we're stuck with Wookie and her sycophants.

[Zackneifein]

.WoW players have played with that "It'll get better next expansion" mindset for literal years

Funny enough from what I have heard from some friends playing WoW, the best expansion since probably Legion, with good storytelling leaning to what FFXIV was celebrated for (with a player character more relevant in the story for example) is released the same year that the worst FFXIV expansion (by my standard and what we can see on reviews / forums & co).

[honest_psycho]

I'll give WoW a chance if they add actual cotnrollersupport and remove all addons.

[Zackneifein]

I'll give WoW a chance if they add actual cotnrollersupport and remove all addons.

Controller support could happen with Microsoft.
Remove all addons will never, ever be done, sorry, it's like core part of the gameplay.

[Vhel]

Wow something sweet baby in was involved it is hated? I for one am shocked

[ovIm]

I'll give WoW a chance if they add actual cotnrollersupport and remove all addons.

As far as I know there is an addon for WoW that adds controller support, though I do not know its name. Supposedly also works well with the Steam Deck.

[oldcodger]

First off. I'm not going to talk about all of this "Woke Lamat" shit. I see it as childish and a waste of time. Either the story is good and interesting, or it's not. Leaving that there.

My expectation was that this msq would be different. Keeping expectations in check is something I'm practiced at. I thought the idea of WOL is just going adventuring now would be a nice change of pace even. The character Wuk Lamat comes off as a very young and insecure child of royalty. But I guess because the plot says so, WOL has to say yes to what they ask because WOL is so nice and wants to help. Seems like going on new adventures could be done without being dragged into some problems in another part of the world. Right off the bat it seems obvious that it's going to become about the next world wide threat to existence.

I enjoyed going through the whole "young challengers for the throne" thing. It was easy to pick out the flaws of each one. But I'm thinking they're going with an "all leaders are flawed" approach. Having the WOL travel with Wuk Lamat makes sense being that her's are the most glaring weaknesses on the surface. The point they kept driving home is that she cares more for the people deep down. And sees that as the main priority. Which I don't have a problem with.

The problem for me begins after the dome appears. This is the point where WOL and the scions should say, "step aside, well take it from here". But for some reason, Wuk Lamat is in control and some how magically knows exactly what we need to do in a gloabal crisis. And having WOL follow her around like her pet is just started grating on my nerves. Are we baby sitting this kid? This goof who has the life experience of a toddler is somehow commanding a group of people who acutally saved THE FUCKING UNIVERSE. I don't want to play "this" game. This, lets be Wuk Lamats best friend even though we just spent most of the story baby sitting her game. I don't feel like her best friend. When she asks WOL to live in the palace, I was like nonononono fuck off with that shit. I'm done.

And then. we fight Zoraal Ja. Up to that point, its all about how Wuk Lamat is gonna do it all on her own and we need to stand back becuase this is family business. WOL fights Zoraal Ja. WOL kills Zoraal Ja. Because that's how this game works. Bad guys fight WOL, bad guys die. And the story line acts like that isn't what just happend. I was so irritated by that, I almost lost my dinner. Which is way too strong of a reaction. But that's what it made me want to do. Puke up the whole thing. Spit it out like rancid meat.

I've read and heard people saying that the problem isn't the character, Wuk Lamat's character is a symptom of the overall problem with the msq. That may be the case. But for me, the problem has led me to the point where I do not want to see that character on my screen anymore. Their presence is irritatiing. And I'm not sure how that gets better.

[MoiraTerrwell]

The problem for me begins after the dome appears. This is the point where WOL and the scions should say, "step aside, well take it from here". But for some reason, Wuk Lamat is in control and some how magically knows exactly what we need to do in a gloabal crisis. And having WOL follow her around like her pet is just started grating on my nerves. Are we baby sitting this kid? This goof who has the life experience of a toddler is somehow commanding a group of people who acutally saved THE FUCKING UNIVERSE. I don't want to play "this" game. This, lets be Wuk Lamats best friend even though we just spent most of the story baby sitting her game. I don't feel like her best friend. When she asks WOL to live in the palace, I was like nonononono fuck off with that shit. I'm done.

And then. we fight Zoraal Ja. Up to that point, its all about how Wuk Lamat is gonna do it all on her own and we need to stand back becuase this is family business. WOL fights Zoraal Ja. WOL kills Zoraal Ja. Because that's how this game works. Bad guys fight WOL, bad guys die. And the story line acts like that isn't what just happend. I was so irritated by that, I almost lost my dinner. Which is way too strong of a reaction. But that's what it made me want to do. Puke up the whole thing. Spit it out like rancid meat.

I've read and heard people saying that the problem isn't the character, Wuk Lamat's character is a symptom of the overall problem with the msq. That may be the case. But for me, the problem has led me to the point where I do not want to see that character on my screen anymore. Their presence is irritatiing. And I'm not sure how that gets better.

This is a nice way of writing what I wanted to say, after level 95, her story should've been done, and we back in charge, but that didn't happen That's also when I started to really dislike Wuk Lamat

[ZXN]

I'm just scared man, I don't know where to go if FF14 goes the same road as WoW or Pokemon (Sword/Shield), Genshin peaked with Sumeru and is becoming more and more of a snoozefest.
I tried Guildwars2 but it needed way more visual polish and actual controllersupport (not judging if its good or bad, mind you).

If I could make a wish, I would wish for Ryushiki07 (author of Higurashi/Umineko) to write the next expac.
But alas, we're stuck with Wookie and her sycophants.

And you're right to be concerned. While I am sure Endwalker had it's fair share of back and forth, I don't recall said discourse being this bad. Hell: we're barely 2 months into Dawntrail and we already have a thread with 300 pages and it's only going to keep increasing as the patches release depending on what they do with the story and characters. That should be a wake-up call to the devs/writers, if they have even viewed this thread along with the other threads, that something has to change, or at the very least they need to take their "We'll fix and modify things through the patches from the feedback we get" seriously like they said they would. We simply won't know for sure until the patches release, and even then, we won't know how long until we see changes, if any.

If I remember correctly they mentioned that the voices are normally recorded about 6-9+ months in advance. So theoretically: we could see absolutely zero changes to the overall story plan for 2-3 whole patches if they prepared everything that far in advance. Sure they might be able to do a "rush order" of sorts and re-record lines, but that completely depends on the characters they plan to have speaking / if their VA is even available, plus there is the possibility the voice actors just won't re-record their stuff or voice anything period due to the SAG-AFTRA video game strike.

Prime example: Sena, Wuk Lamat's VA, is taking part in the strike. If she has a contract through the patches then she can work just fine. But what if she doesn't? Is she going to refuse to come back and voice Wuk? What if she does have a contract, but still refuses in support of the strike? What if the English VA's for Koana, Bakool, and any of the other characters also refuse? What then? Replace the English VA's for ones that can mimic their voices good enough? Potentially destroy the game in an instant by going the route of AI voices? Just not have Wuk / Koana / Bakool / Etc not speak and potentially screw over the German/French/Japanese voice actors/actresses because English ones went "Nah, we ain't doing it, so deal with it?"

These patches are a MUCH more slippery slope then I think a lot of people realize right now and these next two years are pretty much a minefield for Yoshi-P and the other devs to navigate without blowing themselves to smithereens.