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  1. #91
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    PCT is a burst job designed from the ground up BLM is a sustained damage job forced to burst. BLM only feels outdated because CBU3 decided every job should be a burst job.
    Even then they also designed VPR which is the flattest damage profile of a new job since like SB SAM

    They can obviously make flatter job profiles, they just suck at retrofitting old jobs into the new meta
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #92
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Even then they also designed VPR which is the flattest damage profile of a new job since like SB SAM

    They can obviously make flatter job profiles, they just suck at retrofitting old jobs into the new meta
    Even then Viper does have bursts it's just that reawaken doesn't do absurdly high damage compared to other bursts like PCT. For as brain dead Viper is the one thing I really like about it is that it's not a job with a burst but a job that can burst, reawaken is great because it doesn't break the flow of the job like how MNKs and RPRs do. It reminds me a lot of old SB SAM where your flow just didn't break often.

    BLM has no bursts and instead damage priority so it'll never work as a burst job and stuff that can be used as movement tools (Xeno/Triple) have to be used during burst because of how the raid buff meta works. It would have to become Summoner or RDM to work in the current meta as burst job.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    Even then Viper does have bursts it's just that reawaken doesn't do absurdly high damage compared to other bursts like PCT. For as brain dead Viper is the one thing I really like about it is that it's not a job with a burst but a job that can burst, reawaken is great because it doesn't break the flow of the job like how MNKs and RPRs do. It reminds me a lot of old SB SAM where your flow just didn't break often.

    BLM has no bursts and instead damage priority so it'll never work as a burst job and stuff that can be used as movement tools (Xeno/Triple) have to be used during burst because of how the raid buff meta works. It would have to become Summoner or RDM to work in the current meta as burst job.
    BLM does technically have leylines and amplifier, it can burst, it’s just not very good at it compared to almost any other job

    But still they can make relatively flat damage profiles like VPR even if they still have a defined burst phase simply by the difference in the damage of the “burst phase”. They also retrofitting this into jobs like WAR

    BLM could still work with a flatter profile and tools that work for both burst and movement but it needs to have some level of baseline burst as a baseline which they have really struggled to give to BLM
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #94
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    L'rahn Tia
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    Omega
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I feel as though flare star was meant to be BLMs flashy new move, its big pay off for doing a good rotation and then they just decided to make it hit like a wet fish and do nothing significant for the BLM when it really should be a big finisher that rewards playing a difficult job well whether it just has big potency or gives something like a free/empowered despair/flare or a stack of fire starter.

    I'm also surprised they gave BLMs the ability to move ley lines and didn't have BLMs play around them more like perhaps having leylines empower somehow towards the end of their duration to encourage being in them at that point in time. Overall the class should maintain its identity but the rewards for successful execution of its difficult rotations should be bigger.
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  5. #95
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    Mona Valenti
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    Paladin Lv 100
    I still play BLM as it was my first job starting the game
    I also play PCT at times and switch jobs depending on my mood. The problem I see in regards to VPR and PCT is together in a roullette their DPS is so insane that every DPS job is outclassed and can't get a full burst off before mobs die. I tanked Tender Valley as Paladin, had a VPR and PCT. Purposely never used a mit except holy sheltron on mobs knowing their damage output would be insane.

    What a joke. Just go in rouls with vprs and pcts. You will kill so fast healing and tanking aren't needed.
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  6. #96
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    No job is obsolete. Even the worst performing jobs can still clear content so why do you care about numbers? That’s what honestly has ruined this game for me. It’s the incessant obsession with being the top dps that’s so tired. Play the job because you enjoy it, not for the numbers. Even after they nerfed SMN, I still played the hell out of it. It’s one of the weaker jobs now and I still love it. Like why are you crying about this
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  7. #97
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyoXander View Post
    No job is obsolete. Even the worst performing jobs can still clear content so why do you care about numbers? That’s what honestly has ruined this game for me. It’s the incessant obsession with being the top dps that’s so tired. Play the job because you enjoy it, not for the numbers. Even after they nerfed SMN, I still played the hell out of it. It’s one of the weaker jobs now and I still love it. Like why are you crying about this
    Yeah! How dare they concern themselves with absolute balance in a game whose sole design philosophy is *checks notes* absolute balance!
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  8. #98
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyoXander View Post
    No job is obsolete. Even the worst performing jobs can still clear content so why do you care about numbers? That’s what honestly has ruined this game for me. It’s the incessant obsession with being the top dps that’s so tired.
    I mean you'd have a much harder time clearing with 2 Phys range compared to caster in savage currently. Same with 2 pure healers over 2 barrier healers. As a PCT I could carry through a damage enrage during savage prog but as a MCH pffft lmao as if, we aren't clearing unless we all do good damage unless I play the strongest DPS where I can make up for Sylphie healers or weak/bad DPS. Sure if you're not playing high end content this isn't a problem but if you are it is and will always be one.
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  9. #99
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    Mona Valenti
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Even non-highend content it is noticeable on what jobs are weak and what are strong.MCH's dps is lacking even in normal content when mobs take much longer to die compared to the higher performing jobs. Sure, you can play any job for normal content but I can attest personally that playing MCH at lvl 100 content is not fun due to everything becoming a bullet sponge to that job. Balance is important because it should not be obvious in normal content how weak certain jobs are.
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  10. #100
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Mao thinkings Devs paintings themselves into ever tighter corners by doubling downs on DDR-style fights with bursty phases. At some point job designs and fight designs gonna become so one-dimensional that game won't even resemble fantasy MMO anymores. Is gonna looks and plays more like old-style video arcade game. Mao gonna walks away if game becomes nothing buts that. Fights should has mostly random elements whats reward players for quick thinkings and fast reactions. Ask selves this question: Is extreme bursty style jobs universally good for all game-play or is really just useful for boss fights as is designed by SE? Mao also wants see more stuffs to do for overland adventurings buts that also seems to becomings less and less importants. Everything for the boss fights in high end content. Is really bad way to paint selves into corners.
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