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    Sol_Seppy's Avatar
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    Mami Star
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    Machinist Lv 100
    As a MCH main I kinda understand where you're coming from, this tier especially I've been told numerous times to switch off MCH to play DNC (never BRD mind you, which is the actual "meta" pick) both jokingly (which gets old and annoying) and in serious static situations. MCH isn't in a great place, neither is BLM. While BLM can deal damage tantamount to a melee even now, it's still not where it deserves to be.

    Because of the complexity of the job I genuinely think BLM should be one of the highest damage dealers, and definitely far ahead of Picto who has oodles and oodles of party utility.

    I think for the most part the balancing on this game is decent, for an MMO. But there are a few outliers that really need some love right about now... :c
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy View Post
    As a MCH main I kinda understand where you're coming from, this tier especially I've been told numerous times to switch off MCH to play DNC (never BRD mind you, which is the actual "meta" pick) both jokingly (which gets old and annoying) and in serious static situations. MCH isn't in a great place, neither is BLM. While BLM can deal damage tantamount to a melee even now, it's still not where it deserves to be.

    Because of the complexity of the job I genuinely think BLM should be one of the highest damage dealers, and definitely far ahead of Picto who has oodles and oodles of party utility.

    I think for the most part the balancing on this game is decent, for an MMO. But there are a few outliers that really need some love right about now... :c
    BRD isn't even in a good spot as a 'meta' pick. Its personal damage is unacceptably low -- even for a phys ranged with a raid buff, and it is plagued by janky timing issues as its GCDs, and oGCDs crash into each other at really any speed, and its probaly the most severely punished job for dying. These issues need to be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    BRD isn't even in a good spot as a 'meta' pick. Its personal damage is unacceptably low -- even for a phys ranged with a raid buff, and it is plagued by janky timing issues as its GCDs, and oGCDs crash into each other at really any speed, and its probaly the most severely punished job for dying. These issues need to be fixed.
    Idk, I just meant that generally in high end play BRD is more desirable because of its output + raidbuffs. Are any of the phys-range in a great place tho? No.
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    Percibel Theren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol_Seppy View Post
    Idk, I just meant that generally in high end play BRD is more desirable because of its output + raidbuffs. Are any of the phys-range in a great place tho? No.
    Huh, I've been told it's actually DNC that's desirable because it further boosts the already absolutely ridiculous VPR. Might be a DC/region meta difference, I guess.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Huh, I've been told it's actually DNC that's desirable because it further boosts the already absolutely ridiculous VPR. Might be a DC/region meta difference, I guess.
    BRD overtakes DNC when everyone gets gear because it’s buffs are AOE

    DNC is better early in a tier when you feed gear to the designated dance partner
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Aria Argenti
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    Whoever was it that said that as soon as melee or caster players had to deal with the bullshit pranged has been dealing with for like 3 expansions now they would crumple and start crying about how awfull everything is was absolutely correct
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Some free potency that could be nerfed on PCT could be like reducing the potency on Star Prism, and making it an oGCD.
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    Last edited by mallleable; 10-19-2024 at 05:05 AM.

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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    Some free potency that could be nerfed on PCT could be like reducing the potency on Star Prism, and making it an oGCD.
    The real issue with picto are broken free to cast motifs. Picto doesnt care about downtime at all, trio happening - lol just prepare 1k potency muse and hammer, while other classes cant do this equivalent of "build combo/gauge".

    Next patch with ultimate will show if devs even bother to play this game at all (because if FRU has a lot of downtime, it's a win for picto, meaning why bother shooting yourself in the foot with other casters).
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    The real issue with picto are broken free to cast motifs. Picto doesnt care about downtime at all, trio happening - lol just prepare 1k potency muse and hammer, while other classes cant do this equivalent of "build combo/gauge".

    Next patch with ultimate will show if devs even bother to play this game at all (because if FRU has a lot of downtime, it's a win for picto, meaning why bother shooting yourself in the foot with other casters).
    I don't know how much of the fun this would affect, but what could be done is he cast/recast time on motifs could be made the same as Subtractive GCDs, and the muse potencies could be brought in line with Subtractive GCDs as well -- like closer to 900's instead of the 1000's plus they are now.
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    Some free potency that could be nerfed on PCT could be like reducing the potency on Star Prism, and making it an oGCD.
    If you make anything an oGCD, we're speaking about nerfs in the divide the potency by huge ranges. A nuke GCD needs not only be a big potency, but also needs to make it worth over the average GCD potency, which tends to ramp up very high (and explains how some skills go so high those days in potency when in the past high potency GCDs were not really locked behind 60s or 120s buttons). If you move this to an OGCD, the order of magnitude in terms of potency has to be dialed down a lot because it's not competing with the average GCD anymore, else you'd see RDM Thorns to be way higher than just 600.

    It would not solve the pre charged motifs at all. Perhaps the true issue with motifs is that attacks locked behind them are too potent, but if you reduce this you make it not worth using considering the time they take to cast and charge. And this goes back directly to the main issue I had with the job as soon as it was showcased in the media tour: there is literally zero link between the motifs and the base filler palette. It's a bit like tools with MCH, they don't really interact with the rest of the kit (some give battery, but battery isn't used on the GCD rotation), just that MCH can't reload tools during downtime (Imagine how crazy this would be? That's exactly what PCT does). A solution would be to reduce the potency of motifs, but at the same time making them linked and required for the rest of the rotation somehow, but I can't see how they'd do something like this without a relatively heavy rework.
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