The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

[Aravell]

That was one of the points I was getting at by admitting my lack of desire to play healer, that no amount of oversimplification and responsibility-drain is going to make me start queuing with it.

That's basically the main point.

I'm pretty sure healers picked up the role in HW/SB because they enjoy and accept the responsibility that comes with the role. It stands to reason then, that those people would leave the role if they lose what they enjoyed having.

There's also the fact that there's nothing anyone can do to force a DPS player into maining a support role.

So, if we take these together, we have to then question why SE is further pushing the role in the direction that veterans dislike? If support roles are never popular, why then would it be a good idea to alienate the ones you have?

[BunnyQueen]

Striker doesn't care about actual data, they tend to speak out of the wrong end.

[NailBach]

You're gonna wanna sort to "duty complete, weekly reward unclaimed" and try again, taking into account that 10pm EST at night is not indicative of the health of the pf healer population and that what we're looking for is trending patterns over the course of the entire evening, then over the course of the week, and finally over the course of the expansion to unearth role shortages, not just a single datapoint that serves as a confirmation bias to your viewpoint.

but your first post is also just a confirmation bias isn't it?

also tbh, i never ha a problem finding healers and those we get are actually playing their role as it should be.

[AllenThyl]

Cross-Tail Switch does almost 900k in 8 seconds, if you can find me any party that can heal through that without tank LB, I'll be impressed.

???

Hyper-mitting this attack is a strategy employed since week 1. My static switched from tank LB to hypermit last week, gives us 2 melee lb3, skipping last mechanic. It's harder, sure, but not impossible. It does require GCD healing though.

[Aravell]

???

Hyper-mitting this attack is a strategy employed since week 1. My static switched from tank LB to hypermit last week, gives us 2 melee lb3, skipping last mechanic. It's harder, sure, but not impossible. It does require GCD healing though.

The person I was responding to was talking about PF relying on tank LB. Your static can hypermit it, sure, but would you trust PF to do it?

I've healed Harrowing Hell in PF with no tank LB, I wouldn't trust PF to heal through Cross-Tail Switch with no tank LB.

[SaltyDaddy]

Cross-Tail Switch does almost 900k in 8 seconds, if you can find me any party that can heal through that without tank LB, I'll be impressed.

So people are having hard time healing thru mit/heal check but... want more healing. Hmmmmmm.

[Aravell]

So people are having hard time healing thru mit/heal check but... want more healing. Hmmmmmm.

Ah yes, some healers can't heal, so let's delete healing from the game.

Let's also delete mitigating from the game because some tanks don't press their CDs. Maybe also delete damage rotations from the game because some people can't play DPS properly.

[Bellybell]

Maybe also delete damage rotations from the game because some people can't play DPS properly.

They already been doing that. For example the PCT 123 by just bashing on button or GNB Gnashing comboes that got turned to 1 button, or PLD Goring Blade that was took out of normal rotation so they can just 123 and many more other cases in that effect.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

So people are having hard time healing thru mit/heal check but... want more healing. Hmmmmmm.

Healers have consistently hated massive spikes that have to be mitigated by the party or you lose.

Healing should just be a thing that exists throughout a fight, not using Broil for 90% of the encounter then spamming out every ability ever for the 10%

more instances of damage to actually tax bloated heal kits, not making existing spikes taller.

[Havenchild]

Your point is “if you want the healer role to be more popular you need to lower the responsibility of the healer” but then later you say “PF struggles with hard hitting raidwides that apply a DOT”. Do you know why PF struggles with these? It’s because how much the raidwide is mitigated determines the DOT damage.

Right now square is going down the path of removing healing responsibility. How do they do that……..by giving healer tools (mainly mitigation) to the other roles so the healer isn’t the single fail point. Okay but what happens when these other roles don’t use the mitigation they’ve been given? They blame………the healer

First, people aren't dumping the role "faster than usual". Its the same thing that always happens in this time frame.

As for my point, you misquoted and changed the meaning of what I wrote. I stated you need to lower the responsibility on the role to entice new players (specifically DPS) to want additional responsibility they don't have. If the role seems too gatekept, no one will ever jump into it. It is after all specifically DPS we need to switch.

PF doesn't necessarily "struggle" with a raidwide DoT but the average pf healer doesn't like it regardless.

And I'll disagree that healer gets criticism when everyone can see their mits on there characters. If I have 2 mits up for every mech, that's an everyone elses problem if we die and no one has ever dared to say otherwise. If people so much try to say it and you are doing your job on heals and mit, you can easily deflect anyone. The benefit of shifting mit off healer is exactly to change the perception of Healer role and what it's "expected" of after the fact. Meaning you train the playerbase to not expect as much from the Healer role.