The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

[Aravell]

Ahh so now every healer that cleared are all good samaritans and constantly jumping back into pf to help so many more random people clear. Truly remarkable. Its never happened before with this many people clearing but this time, mid healer strike, they all rose to the occasion. Truly a testament to good virtues.

Y'all make up any excuse to not look bad. It's kinda sad and also hilarious.

Ok, now you're just deflecting from valid points. You're fully biased against any healer problems and it shows. There's no discussion to be had here.

[Havenchild]

Ok, now you're just deflecting from valid points. You're fully biased against any healer problems and it shows. There's no discussion to be had here.

Yeah and I can't say I've had any issues beyond normal on filling Healer spots on 3 seperate characters. Hell I just finished one of my alts reclears on Friday evening 5pm-9pm est.

I stand by the hardest to fill is tanks right now, maybe healers after that. Again, no real argument against the fact that more healers have cleared the content this tier, than in others. That's a hard fact. To try and argue against it like Mr. Math up there is pointless. Most of the co-healers I've known in game (including other roles) in the 2.5 pug linkshells I own are throughly amused by that healer strike thread and joke on yall constantly.

FFXIV community has no backbone. This is a lesson the forums need to learn first and foremost. The large pop on pf don't give a crap about a strike on the forums. Most of the people in that thread are in statics, which means there discontent rarely translates to something in PF. Another hard fact.

As for deflecting valid points, I've yet to see one that holds weight but I suppose they all do in the forum echo chamber.

[Aravell]

Another hard fact.

It's only a hard fact in your dreams.

So the circles you run in think there's no issue and you don't run into any issues yourself. Alright, there's no issue in your narrow circle. That doesn't make it a hard fact.

In my circles, everyone agrees that healers suck to play and nobody wants to play them, so now we're at odds, we both have different experiences, that now dissolves your "facts" into an anecdote.

So since we're comparing, I waited over 40 minutes for a regen healer on reset day, right at reset, on a JP DC. People said JP loves healers, so what gives? And here's another one, my friends made a PF 2 hours after reset, at JP peak time, and they waited close to an hour for healers.

Huh, looks like your experience isn't fact after all.

[Havenchild]

It's only a hard fact in your dreams.

So the circles you run in think there's no issue and you don't run into any issues yourself. Alright, there's no issue in your narrow circle. That doesn't make it a hard fact.

In my circles, everyone agrees that healers suck to play and nobody wants to play them, so now we're at odds, we both have different experiences, that now dissolves your "facts" into an anecdote.

So since we're comparing, I waited over 40 minutes for a regen healer on reset day, right at reset, on a JP DC. People said JP loves healers, so what gives? And here's another one, my friends made a PF 2 hours after reset, at JP peak time, and they waited close to an hour for healers.

Huh, looks like your experience isn't fact after all.

Oh ok because you waited for a healer that means the healerstrike was relevant? Ic

Explain how exactly is this any different than literally any tier since SB around this time frame? There have ALWAYS been shortages to support roles. Period.

The healerstrike specifically has added nothing to this, especially since far more players have cleared this tier compared to others which still means far more healers cleared also. But you were the one that made the assumption that all of the healers are good samaritans in PF so they are constantly jumping back in.
Ironic, because if that logic was true, those parties would have filled faster. It's almost as if le gasp, alot are clearing on reset. Idk how JP DC is admittingly but on Aether there is nothing par from the usual.

The only thing that has majorily changed is the speed of which PF has progressed through the tier compared to previous ones, which of all the arguments makes the most sense to explain the falloff in not just healer but tanks and even dps roles.

[Supersnow845]

Oh ok because you waited for a healer that means the healerstrike was relevant? Ic

Explain how exactly is this any different than literally any tier since SB around this time frame? There have ALWAYS been shortages to support roles. Period.

The healerstrike specifically has added nothing to this, especially since far more players have cleared this tier compared to others which still means far more healers cleared also. But you were the one that made the assumption that all of the healers are good samaritans in PF so they are constantly jumping back in.
Ironic, because if that logic was true, those parties would have filled faster. It's almost as if le gasp, alot are clearing on reset. Idk how JP DC is admittingly but on Aether there is nothing par from the usual.

The only thing that has majorily changed is the speed of which PF has progressed through the tier compared to previous ones, which of all the arguments makes the most sense to explain the falloff in not just healer but tanks and even dps roles.

“There’s always been this sort of shortage with healers”

Yes that’s the problem, there shouldn’t just be the assumption of a shortage that must be accepted, make healers good to play and you won’t have this shortage, they seemed to have figured this out with tanks

More people cleared this tier because it’s easy as hell, that doesn’t preclude a healer shortage, but you also didn’t read my post saying that

[Aravell]

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Ok, remind me again where exactly I attributed anything to the healerstrike or even mentioned it at all before this? You're fighting a strawman and I need you to stop.

You asked for any reason that this might be happening and I pointed out a possible reason that a healer shortage could be happening. You're the one who took it as an attack and started mocking the healerstrike despite me not even mentioning it or alluding to it at all.

That said, I don't know what's normal on Aether, but on JP, the last time we had to wait this long for a healer was during Abyssos, where Yoshi P himself acknowledged a healer shortage.

[Havenchild]

“There’s always been this sort of shortage with healers”

Yes that’s the problem, there shouldn’t just be the assumption of a shortage that must be accepted, make healers good to play and you won’t have this shortage, they seemed to have figured this out with tanks

More people cleared this tier because it’s easy as hell, that doesn’t preclude a healer shortage, but you also didn’t read my post saying that

Mr.Math, it still means that more Healers did clear the raid content than before amidst a Healerstrike.

Now as for a shortage or problems with the role, those are both seperate matters than to what the healerstrike specifically contributed to, which with current evidence, is completely contrary to showing any measured affect of the healer strike. Which means, it amounted to nothing.

Again, discontent on forums does not translate to PF especially when those expressing such discontent are largely in optimized statics, the only true realm where the healer "issues" are even noticeable. PF with its random deaths, terrible mitigation, and healer skills overlapping for either overmitting or overhealing wildly disintegrates issues with the healer kit on average, especially when the kit becomes far more useable.

Lastly, you are wildly misinformed on why no one plays Healers. I assure you, every MMO mimics the same issues. No matter how fun you make a healer, MMO players on average just don't like to play the Healer role. They don't like the responsibilities that on average come with the role, moreso in XIV, where healers have more responsibility now than every other role in the trifecta and battle design.

[Supersnow845]

Mr.Math, it still means that more Healers did clear the raid content than before amidst a Healerstrike.

Now as for a shortage or problems with the role, those are both seperate matters than to what the healerstrike specifically contributed to, which with current evidence, is completely contrary to showing any measured affect of the healer strike. Which means, it amounted to nothing.

Again, discontent on forums does not translate to PF especially when those expressing such discontent are largely in optimized statics, the only true realm where the healer "issues" are even noticeable. PF with its random deaths, terrible mitigation, and healer skills overlapping for either overmitting or overhealing wildly disintegrates issues with the healer kit on average, especially when the kit becomes far more useable.

Again why are you arguing like either of us is attempting to pin the shortage on the healer strike. I’m saying there is a shortage because that’s what the listening posts are saying right now, it’s the biggest topic on 2chan right now and it aligns with people not wanting to play the role becquse it’s bad. Reddit meanwhile basically just heaves a sigh whenever healers are discussed because everyone agrees they are shit and they are sick of talking about them. A tier being so easy people who don’t usually do savage could clear it doesn’t mean there isn’t a shortage, it exasperates it, especially in a double DPS expansion

If you disagreee then fine but acting it’s a forums echo chamber problem won’t make it go away

Also healers have more responsibility in 14, that’s rich. You’ll also find that other MMO’s have a bigger tank problem, so why does 14 have a healer problem. It’s certainly easier finding a healer than a tank in WOW

(Also I love your nickname, it just makes me think of you saying “I love your funny words magic man”, just makes you look like you can’t read basic maths)

[Ketojan]

Isn’t this raid tier giga easy tho? That’s why so many cleared. The amount of healers I’m getting who aren’t old healer mains but people switching to healer to fill pf. Also if you (whoever is reading) don’t like the healer strike, then ignore it. It’s for people like me who are bored of it, I’m not filling healer slot anymore just because I can. This choice should mean nothing to you, it doesn’t even affect you it’s just for my happiness to know others are also joining in on this, no? And if the dev team notice, cool, if not then you win?

[mallleable]

The way they chose to design the game past Endwalker, yes, haste would completely ruin the flow of most jobs.

But jobs like BRD would greatly benefit from haste, jobs that generate resources passively through their CD rotation. Jobs like RPR would hate haste because of resource overcap through no fault of their own.

If they really wanted to reintroduce haste, they'd have to redesign the jobs to not be so cyclical and rigid.

Jobs won't even need major redesigns. Just giving them something with a cheap gauge cost to burn off excess gauge could be enough.