JP: Yoshi P should step down, FF14 is a sinking ship, in response to interview

[Striker44]

Their approach of „surprise the players at the last moment“ they usually do with the story backfired spectacularly this time because it wasn‘t the story itself they changed but the narrative.

Meanwhile, for every person here going to absurd hyperbole like this, there's a dozen people who enjoyed the story and know it didn't backfire at all, but rather has been a great hit.

[ZavosEsperian]

Meanwhile, for every person here going to absurd hyperbole like this, there's a dozen people who enjoyed the story and know it didn't backfire at all, but rather has been a great hit.

you say this:

every person here going to absurd hyperbole like this

but follow it up with:

there's a dozen people who enjoyed the story and know it didn't backfire at all, but rather has been a great hit.

I would say you are being rather hypocritical as you are being hyperbolic, no? Or are you counting yourself into the "every person here going to absurd hyperbole" category?

[Kaurhz]

Meanwhile, for every person here going to absurd hyperbole like this, there's a dozen people who enjoyed the story and know it didn't backfire at all, but rather has been a great hit.

Glad we have someone such as yourself that feels confident speaking on behalf of such a significant number of players.

[Catwho]

I would say you are being rather hypocritical as you are being hyperbolic, no? Or are you counting yourself into the "every person here going to absurd hyperbole" category?

A lot of the people who are saying they enjoyed the story aren't on the official forums, because the constant negativity here has made them never want to post anything.

They're in my Discord channels, though. They're on Tumblr. They're in my linkshell. I've got a few actual proper Wuk Lamat stans in my friend's circle, and one of them is a published author who caught on that she's a "shounen protagonist." From the time Wuk Lamat was introduced, she adopted sort of a big sister persona towards her, so a lot of the things that rankled most of us (including me) she appreciated for what it was presented as - a dumbass kid learning.

I didn't hate Dawntrail, but I did think it was weaker from a storyline perspective than the last two expansions,and struggled with pacing issues around Shaaloani especially. I genuinely enjoyed it after that.

[Connor]

A lot of the people who are saying they enjoyed the story aren't on the official forums, because the constant negativity here has made them never want to post anything.

Honestly I thought the story was fine personally. It was all just ‘ffxiv standard fare’ really. And annoying as she was I didn’t ’hate’ Wuk Lamat either. We do exist! I think (therefore I am?)

…that said, thought of even trying to defend either of those points in any of the many, many dumpster fires we call threads on the forums now? Uh, check please lol

[Shurrikhan]

Honestly I thought the story was fine personally. It was all just ‘ffxiv standard fare’ really. And annoying as she was I didn’t ’hate’ Wuk Lamat either. We do exist! I think (therefore I am?)

…that said, thought of even trying to defend either of those points in any of the many, many dumpster fires we call threads on the forums now? Uh, check please lol

I thought it was disappointing, but not awful. Not far from ARR post-patch level, but even that had some decent moments, to be fair.

I think what pisses people off more is that this is where the new story arc's momentum will have to build off of, giving it decently high stake for situating something interesting (even if not a great need for any immediate urgency into that new arc), and they wanted to see something far, far better than ARR from whatever experience was gleaned over the expansions since. To many, there was an awful lot of wasted potential, or silly missteps with disproportionate cost.

[Ramiee]

I was told Krile would be in this expansion.
Still waiting on that instead I had to deal with a dumbass furry and the ShB stalker after I had my fill of him in EW.

[Sensui]

I thought it was disappointing, but not awful. Not far from ARR post-patch level, but even that had some decent moments, to be fair.

I think what pisses people off more is that this is where the new story arc's momentum will have to build off of, giving it decently high stake for situating something interesting (even if not a great need for any immediate urgency into that new arc), and they wanted to see something far, far better than ARR from whatever experience was gleaned over the expansions since. To many, there was an awful lot of wasted potential, or silly missteps with disproportionate cost.

You don't feel that getting a key that will allow us to freely visit the rest of the shards will be fun? I'm looking forward to it!

[ZXN]

A lot of the people who are saying they enjoyed the story aren't on the official forums, because the constant negativity here has made them never want to post anything.

I understand this. LOTS of people love Wuk Lamat and are absolutely allowed to like the character for their own reasons. Players should be able to go on the forums and talk about how much they like Wuk Lamat. People harassing them or mocking them or labeled them with certain terms for liking Wuk Lamat for their own personal, genuine reasons is a petty thing to do.

But the reverse is also true.

Players should be able to go on the forums and talk about how much they dislike Wuk Lamat. People harassing them or mocking them or labeled them with certain terms for hating Wuk Lamat for their own personal, genuine reasons is also a petty thing to do.

Unfortunately this is the internet, so for some people the knob must ALWAYS be cranked up to Zealot levels of either defense or hatred.

Wuk Lamat supporters on Twitter, for an unfortunate example, like to call players who dislike Wuk Lamat either misogynistic or transphobic or a bigot, because to them you MUST be either one of these things or all of them to dislike Wuk Lamat. Likewise, Wuk Lamat haters like to call players who like Wuk Lamat...well, I won't say for the obvious reason that a lot of the things said get hit with the sensitive material warning, but they say it because to them you MUST be a minority or "trans enabler", or whatever dumb shit they call people who support trans people these day, to like Wuk Lamat.

I hate Wuk Lamat. Does that mean I deserve to be labeled as a transphobic, misogynistic bigot even if I give my own genuine reasons why? Likewise, if a player loves Wuk Lamat, does that mean THEY deserve to be called a groomer or even slurs if they give their own genuine reasons why they like the character? If a player who uses Japanese/French/German voices and dialogue loves/hates Wuk Lamat, does that mean THEY deserve to be labeled a certain way/called a slur? While I obviously cannot/will not speak for the other languages: I would think it should be seen as extremely rude and asinine to go "You hate Wuk Lamat? Glad to know you're a bigot" or "You like Wuk Lamat? Of a course a -insert bad slur here- would love this character" to a Japanese/French/German player who uses their own language for the voices and most likely has absolutely no idea what the hell is going on, or even remotely care, with the English side of the game, but still got labeled something terrible by the English side anyway.

Should you be able to say "I LOVE Wuk Lamat" and have a conversation? Yes.
Should you be able to say "I HATE Wuk Lamat" and have a conversation? Yes.

Unfortunately, again, this is the internet, and it's just easier to call someone each other name in the book instead of having actual conversations and coming to an understanding.

[Eyrilona]

It all feels a bit overly melodramatic to me. Let's look at it this way for a moment -- even if you'd want to believe that the game is a sinking ship, the metaphor just doesn't work anyway because while an actual sinking ship is an urgent crisis that is going to take you down with it if you don't abandon ship in time, an online game poses no such threat to us. If the servers at some time in the future do end up getting taken down due to waning success, you can even stay logged in and watch it happen and there'd be no harm done. So to what end this hurry some people seem to be in to get out early?

FFXIV is still in the lower cost range of monthly subscription based games and other modern monetization schemes, so it costs us fairly little to just hang with our friends and play the content already in there that we do enjoy (which is how a lot of the player base already plays the game anyway). The cost of wait and see is really low here.