Pld buff or War nerf in 1.22?

[Arcell]

For what it's worth, in the Garuda video the PLD has 3600+ HP if I'm not mistaken (though I could be) in full AF. That would certainly help things lol, it's what I've been suggesting for a while.

Though there's something fishy going on with these HP numbers. At one point the PLD has 3600ish and the WAR has 4200. Then after the cutscene mid-way the PLD has 4300ish and the WAR has 4600ish.

Still, the gap has narrowed in HP in either case. The difference is now not as severe as it used to be at 1k.

[Zantetsuken]

For what it's worth, in the Garuda video the PLD has 3600+ HP if I'm not mistaken (though I could be) in full AF. That would certainly help things lol, it's what I've been suggesting for a while.

Though there's something fishy going on with these HP numbers. At one point the PLD has 3600ish and the WAR has 4200. Then after the cutscene mid-way the PLD has 4300ish and the WAR has 4600ish.

Still, the gap has narrowed in HP in either case. The difference is now not as severe as it used to be at 1k.

The HP boost is likely due to the BRD 15min ability: Battle Voice

[Arcell]

The HP boost is likely due to the BRD 15min ability: Battle Voice

Ah, very true. Hadn't considered that. Well then it looks like unbuffed in full AF, the HP gap isn't as bad now. Paladin may very well be viable again thankfully.

[Rydin]

For what it's worth, in the Garuda video the PLD has 3600+ HP if I'm not mistaken (though I could be) in full AF. That would certainly help things lol, it's what I've been suggesting for a while.

Though there's something fishy going on with these HP numbers. At one point the PLD has 3600ish and the WAR has 4200. Then after the cutscene mid-way the PLD has 4300ish and the WAR has 4600ish.

Still, the gap has narrowed in HP in either case. The difference is now not as severe as it used to be at 1k.

3600 with full party bonus is what PLD has now... and is Garbage

[Arcell]

3600 with full party bonus is what PLD has now... and is Garbage

It's better than what we had before. It's only about a 600 hp gap as opposed to a 1k hp gap. Plus with 2 types of regen and a handful of self-heals, it is at least a step in the right direction. Paladin will be more viable than it is now.

[Rydin]

It's better than what we had before. It's only about a 600 hp gap as opposed to a 1k hp gap. Plus with 2 types of regen and a handful of self-heals, it is at least a step in the right direction. Paladin will be more viable than it is now.

There has never been a 1k gap... its always been 600hp....

[Rydin]

There has never been a 1k gap... its always been 600hp....

To be fair, a nude PLD and a nude WAR have a 500hp difference....
So being that they have access to the same gear... the most their HP will differ (While wearing the same thing) is 550
even with respective AF gear, the difference is 600 and some change...
It's just that difference is HUGE when you think about something like coincounter potentially hitting for over 4k and your WAR has 5k hp and your PLD is at 4.45K

[NoctisUmbra]

There has never been a 1k gap... its always been 600hp....

It's a 600~ HP difference naked between the two, however when you look at their HP difference when both are suited in AFs it's closer to 800. It seems to me that Arcell is comparing their geared HP.

With the same accessories equipped, no belt, and full AF on both my HP values are:

PLD: 3053
WAR: 3804

That's a difference of 751 HP. However it doesn't quite end there. While on PLD one is much better off equipping a plate belt with enmity melded on as much as possible, on WAR enmity is not an issue and thus it's generally preferred to meld HP. I use an enmity cobaly plate belt on PLD and a Peisteskin Hunting Belt with 108 HP melded on WAR, which brings their HPs to:

PLD: 3055
WAR: 3914

Once you apply the 10% buff from Strength in Numbers you get:

PLD: 3360
WAR: 4305

I think this is the ~1k HP difference Arcell is observing. In the Garuda video PLD appeared to have 3670 HP when not under the effect of Battle Voice, and 4k+ when buffed by it. These videos have a history of being incorrect as far as HP/MP/damage values go, however the HP/MP values of the other jobs seemed accurate to me.

[Rydin]

It's a 600~ HP difference naked between the two, however when you look at their HP difference when both are suited in AFs it's closer to 800. It seems to me that Arcell is comparing their geared HP.

With the same accessories equipped, no belt, and full AF on both my HP values are:

PLD: 3053
WAR: 3804

That's a difference of 751 HP. However it doesn't quite end there. While on PLD one is much better off equipping a plate belt with enmity melded on as much as possible, on WAR enmity is not an issue and thus it's generally preferred to meld HP. I use an enmity cobaly plate belt on PLD and a Peisteskin Hunting Belt with 108 HP melded on WAR, which brings their HPs to:

PLD: 3055
WAR: 3914

Once you apply the 10% buff from Strength in Numbers you get:

PLD: 3360
WAR: 4305

I think this is the ~1k HP difference Arcell is observing. In the Garuda video PLD appeared to have 3670 HP when not under the effect of Battle Voice, and 4k+ when buffed by it. These videos have a history of being incorrect as far as HP/MP/damage values go, however the HP/MP values of the other jobs seemed accurate to me.

thats not fair....
Saying their HP is different when one has an HP belt and one has an enmity belt on?
well duh...
For coincounter I straight tank him in double HP gear anyway
meaning... in which case the difference is 550hp...
I do agree that is significant... just adding a little clarity

[NoctisUmbra]

thats not fair....
Saying their HP is different when one has an HP belt and one has an enmity belt on?
well duh...
For coincounter I straight tank him in double HP gear anyway
meaning... in which case the difference is 550hp...
I do agree that is significant... just adding a little clarity

Fair point. I just wanted to draw attention to how they can be geared differently. That being said, putting the same double melded HP belt on PLD won't make as drastic a difference as 3670 HP in full party. We'll see what 1.22 brings I guess.