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    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Simply because the nerf is pointless and unnaceptable. Compromise isn't always the solution, you're proposing a false compromise.
    "I will cut both your legs!"
    "I refuse to have my legs cut!"
    "Fine then, let's make a compromise, I'll only cut one of your legs."

    Then tell me you tried to have a discussion.
    I will not compromise for a nerf, it's pointless and closes the door to future abilities that could steps out of the lines.
    Mate, "Warrior players" (not necessarily mains or veterans, but "Warrior players" nonetheless) have been the largest community driver for the removal or homogenization of most things to step out of line among tanks:
    • Hallowed Ground stepped out of line. What happened? Holmgang was changed from a CC skill with bundled knock back immunity into an invuln. Now we're stuck with invulns for everyone.

    • Cover stepped out of line. What happened? Warriors demanded the transfered damage not benefit from PLD's mitigation. (Ironically, once NIN was introduced, this replaced Cover-Hallowed strats only in that you ended up with double Hallowed.)

    • Sword Oath stepped out of line. What happened? It was made inferior to Deliverance for both AoE (as PLD literally had none besides CoS) and ST both, reducing it from PLD at least having a small max ST damage in exchange for its lower combined sustain+damage in practice to PLD mostly being permitted only for fights with hard-hitting but singular physical tank busters and little to no magical damage. Tbf, good riddance to that balancing approach, as simply rotated which off-Warriors, err, co-tanks, were allowed for which fights.

    • Divine Veil stepped out of line. What happened? Instead of building around high burst followed by a period of pacification or a damage-stagger mechanic that Warrior could purge, Shake it Off was made a Divine Veil knockoff that was just higher ceiling and more responsive than the original. Because the voices of those who wanted an easy time via Warrior counter for more than those of actual Warrior mains.

    • Inner Release stepped out of line. What happened? Oonga bungas didn't like the gap in effort required between optimal and skilled use (i.e., that split them from Warrior mains), so instead of merely dealing with its clunkiness in dungeons specifically, they gutted its core mechanic in favor of {X free uses}.

    • Original Nascent Flash/Raw Intuition stepped out of line. What happened? Once the oonga bungas (mostly JP, iirc) has apparently had enough of banking gauge and syncing buffs because the highest-output-by-far external on-demands was "too hard" to optimize, we lost our choice in defensive output and that element of skill expression per the Endwalker version of BW/NF.

    It's literally the need to favor ease of output or categorical advantage that has cost us differentiation where it mattered far more -- the actual playflow.

    I'm sorry, but acting like any loss to ease of power, let alone from a source as obviously a broken scalar and as simplifying/degrading to the skill's gameplay as has been the case for EW BW/NF-- as an attempt to cut both one's legs off can't help but sound so damn entitled. It's the usual EW "screw you, veteran SMNs (and all other casters); SMN is how we like it now, so that's that," or ShB "tough luck, healer veterans, I like being able to spend 94% of spell casts on a single key" and it sucks when people pretend it's a matter of identity that even the slightest balancing of its performance is refuted no matter its favorable impact on the job's playflow or the broader health of the game as it stands now or could be added to.

    Now, a lot of changes have happened without community support, yes, but if your complaint here is on how community discourse/action in this thread seems to be trending, I suggest you look back, too.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 08-18-2024 at 08:05 AM.