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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    What gets me is and I am trans I do not even understand this part. We are just women nothing more nothing less. I should be able to take part in things women can do without being judged. Yet when a trans character comes into a play yeah they must be voiced by a trans person since we are more then just a woman. Like come on we need to make up our mind.
    Internalized transphobia or something. And I'm kind of serious. Internalized homophobia is absolutely a thing and widely recognized in the LGBT community, as well as outside of it. It seem to me like the mechanism here is similar. Maybe some internalized misogyny on top of it.

    A person who is secure in their identity doesn't spew the hate that Sena does. They don't try to assert themselves at the expense of others. She does. CONSTANTLY. Tweet where she states a woman is not allowed to play a (trans) woman, despite the voice actor having done a stellar job and gotten praised for it. Tweet where she calls other cis women ugly, then posts a picture of herself with her age attached, saying that she is trans and prettier. I mean holy crap, talk about insecurity. Tweet where she acts like people are in the wrong for supporting a different woman only because that other woman is pretty and cis, and only trans women are worthy of support.

    Just. Why? What is that? Are we not all women here? Why the hell does she feel entitled to put other fellow women down? She is hateful and toxic. And insecure to boot. I am sorry, but instead of stewing in her toxic twitter echo chamber, she should find a therapist and work through her issues. She will come out the other end a happier person. This is not an offensive statement meant to harass her, nor is it transphobic or whatever else people would love to come up with. I've been in therapy too! There's nothing shameful about it! Sometimes you look at a person and you see all those flags screaming that they are clearly seeking help, attention and affirmation. And the answer is therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    A person who is secure in their identity doesn't spew the hate that Sena does. They don't try to assert themselves at the expense of others. She does. CONSTANTLY. Tweet where she states a woman is not allowed to play a (trans) woman, despite the voice actor having done a stellar job and gotten praised for it. Tweet where she calls other cis women ugly, then posts a picture of herself with her age attached, saying that she is trans and prettier. I mean holy crap, talk about insecurity. Tweet where she acts like people are in the wrong for supporting a different woman only because that other woman is pretty and cis, and only trans women are worthy of support.

    Just. Why? What is that? Are we not all women here? Why the hell does she feel entitled to put other fellow women down? She is hateful and toxic. And insecure to boot. I am sorry, but instead of stewing in her toxic twitter echo chamber, she should find a therapist and work through her issues. She will come out the other end a happier person. This is not an offensive statement meant to harass her, nor is it transphobic or whatever else people would love to come up with. I've been in therapy too! There's nothing shameful about it! Sometimes you look at a person and you see all those flags screaming that they are clearly seeking help, attention and affirmation. And the answer is therapy.
    This might be a controversial thing to say but this is why I feel that some members of the trans community don't necessarily have the right intentions for why they want to be a woman. I feel like some view being a woman as a quick gateway to attention/praise/easy success/being taken care of and not that it's about making themselves feel comfortable in their own skin and forming bonds with other women/just flat out being a woman. Situations like this where Sena is calling other women ugly while posting pictures of herself saying she's prettier/getting upset that another woman (specifically cisgender) is getting more attention than she is, is a part of why I feel that way. I know it's definitely not the majority nor would I even try to make that generalization but the minority that does act like this tends to be more vocal in my experience and it sucks for the rest of the community that doesn't think that way because I feel those on the outside tend to see the vocal toxic side more than those who just want to exist as they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    This might be a controversial thing to say but this is why I feel that some members of the trans community don't necessarily have the right intentions for why they want to be a woman. I feel like some view being a woman as a quick gateway to attention/praise/easy success/being taken care of and not that it's about making themselves feel comfortable in their own skin and forming bonds with other women/just flat out being a woman. Situations like this where Sena is calling other women ugly while posting pictures of herself saying she's prettier/getting upset that another woman (specifically cisgender) is getting more attention than she is, is a part of why I feel that way. I know it's definitely not the majority nor would I even try to make that generalization but the minority that does act like this tends to be more vocal in my experience and it sucks for the rest of the community that doesn't think that way because I feel those on the outside tend to see the vocal toxic side more than those who just want to exist as they are.
    You don't see most of this crap with trans men. So I agree. That is definitely a controversial take and it can be hurtful, so it's not one I often bring up if at all. And yes, of course it's important to mention that NOT ALL trans women are like that, not at all.

    Still, there are quite a few trans women who were men, some of them incels, unhappy with their relationships and the way the world "treated" them (though self inflicted by their own issues they never learned to deal with). Who then decided to try their luck on the other side. Those issues of theirs never go away though, just continue manifesting in their new gender. They are still bitter at women, still can't find fulfilling relationships, still struggle with their own self perception, still constantly lack attention. So they take to Twitter where they oversexualize themselves and start conflicts in order to get that attention they so crave. And still nothing solves their actual issues.

    Then look at trans men. Show me one trans man who acts the way all those infamous trans women on twitter do. Show me trans men who are anywhere near as famous/infamous in the first place! They aren't because they are just living their lives, not bothering anyone, and what a surprise - people don't bother them in turn. Respect yourself and others, and you will be respected in turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    You don't see most of this crap with trans men. So I agree. That is definitely a controversial take and it can be hurtful, so it's not one I often bring up if at all. And yes, of course it's important to mention that NOT ALL trans women are like that, not at all.

    Still, there are quite a few trans women who were men, some of them incels, unhappy with their relationships and the way the world "treated" them (though self inflicted by their own issues they never learned to deal with). Who then decided to try their luck on the other side. Those issues of theirs never go away though, just continue manifesting in their new gender. They are still bitter at women, still can't find fulfilling relationships, still struggle with their own self perception, still constantly lack attention. So they take to Twitter where they oversexualize themselves and start conflicts in order to get that attention they so crave. And still nothing solves their actual issues.

    Then look at trans men. Show me one trans man who acts the way all those infamous trans women on twitter do. Show me trans men who are anywhere near as famous/infamous in the first place! They aren't because they are just living their lives, not bothering anyone, and what a surprise - people don't bother them in turn. Respect yourself and others, and you will be respected in turn.
    I also don't see any Asian transwomen do this, the ones I've met were all really comfortable with who they are. I think this is strictly a western issue.
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    Disregard what I posted, I'm just observing now
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    Last edited by Rueby; 08-13-2024 at 05:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rueby View Post
    Disregard what I posted, I'm just observing now
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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilor View Post
    it's spaghett!
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