M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[sharknado]

More -esuna- mechanics and reduce the autohealing/damage reduction of tanks and DPS, because this is the brother thread of the lonely tank doing dungeon and trial bosses.

Esuna isn't a good solution. You would be there just because of one button that is 1/0. The healer can't be the master of life and death in parties or suddenly bad healers will fail to complete a run and either get kicked or the group disbands. Then if it repeats people will go to Party Finder instead of using DF directly. The game doesn't even require job stones. Rapid healing would also be limited by slower GCD and then it would need to push more and more off-GCD. There is no singular fix for healers to have fun in this game. It would have to be big and redefining roles and what the holy trinity is and if it's still needed.

[Volgia]

Meanwhile in PF; the tanks die to autos during M2S all the time rofl.

[Packetdancer]

Meanwhile in PF; the tanks die to autos during M2S all the time rofl.

I mean, if healers are optional, maybe the takeaway is "autoattack damage seems like a Tank Problem, not a Healer Problem."

(I am joking, of course. ...well, maybe like 85% joking / 15% serious.)

[Raven2014]

The healer can't be the master of life and death in parties or suddenly bad healers will fail to complete a run and either get kicked or the group disbands.

You already have this with tank. For example in M3S if one of the tank forgot to pop mit for the 6x buster (or forgot to pop invul in time), the boss will proceed one shooting 6/8 players.

So why can't you have some mech that will put the onus on the healer?

Frankly this is the exact mentality that put healers in the current situation. It seems the design have no qualm about heaping additional task/responsibility onto other roles, while healers is treated like endanger-protective species ... or just moron, idk. But it's clear the design always seem to try to avoid healer specific responsibility that may "overwhelm" us. And that mentality is probably why healers have such a boring life.

[Shinku_Tachi]

You already have this with tank. For example in M3S if one of the tank forgot to pop mit for the 6x buster (or forgot to pop invul in time), the boss will proceed one shooting 6/8 players.

So why can't you have some mech that will put the onus on the healer?

Frankly this is the exact mentality that put healers in the current situation. It seems the design have no qualm about heaping additional task/responsibility onto other roles, while healers is treated like endanger-protective species ... or just moron, idk. But it's clear the design always seem to try to avoid healer specific responsibility that may "overwhelm" us. And that mentality is probably why healers have such a boring life.

Yep. At the end of the day, each role in the trinity needs a responsibility that cannot be done without it. ESPECIALLY in EX trials and savage raiding.

[sharknado]

You already have this with tank. For example in M3S..
So why can't you have some mech that will put the onus on the healer?

The change would be global and not only for savage or ultimate. The game has to answer if it wants to go the WoW route or not. FFXIV avoids putting responsibilities and requirements on players and is anti-parsing and anti-judging of players' performance.

They could copy some healing checks from ultimate into savage and call it a day too, but it won't solve any problems, just put log checks to any invite in PF and the need to use the convoluted ATC logging for everything so you have logs to prove someone's healing capabilities etc.

[Supersnow845]

The change would be global and not only for savage or ultimate. The game has to answer if it wants to go the WoW route or not. FFXIV avoids putting responsibilities and requirements on players and is anti-parsing and anti-judging of players' performance.

They could copy some healing checks from ultimate into savage and call it a day too, but it won't solve any problems, just put log checks to any invite in PF and the need to use the convoluted ATC logging for everything so you have logs to prove someone's healing capabilities etc.

Why has this not happened for tanks then

If what you say with healers actually happened right now people would be kicking tanks left right and centre from M3 because the tank doing the buster wrong kills half the party

[sharknado]

Why has this not happened for tanks then

If what you say with healers actually happened right now people would be kicking tanks left right and centre from M3 because the tank doing the buster wrong kills half the party

Both healers and tanks are void of bigger responsibilities. Tanks are hard to kill and can compensate for a weaker healer. Good healers can compensate for noob tank and so on. It works, but it's not something for competitive content or competitive WoW-style MMO.

[Supersnow845]

Both healers and tanks are void of bigger responsibilities. Tanks are hard to kill and can compensate for a weaker healer. Good healers can compensate for noob tank and so on. It works, but it's not something for competitive content or competitive WoW-style MMO.

They aren’t remotely compensating for each other when one of the two just does both roles by itself and the other is inferior in literally every conceivable category

[Lorika]

They aren’t remotely compensating for each other when one of the two just does both roles by itself and the other is inferior in literally every conceivable category

Ah, i disagree.... We can Esuna better than a Bard XD