M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Chiru_Kai]

So the complaint is "the fact that it is possible at all shows it's completely obsolete"?

It's along the same line as saying something silly like:
"omg people are drinking soup straight from the bowl, shows how spoons are completely obsolete!"

like... ???
Until this is meta, this is just a meme clear done by people who probably planned this out and had many failed attempts. Let them play however they want and the rest of the normal players will just continue to have 2 healers, including a full on guide for the exact party layout, and still can't clear a fight.

[Isala]

So the complaint is "the fact that it is possible at all shows it's completely obsolete"?

It's along the same line as saying something silly like:
"omg people are drinking soup straight from the bowl, shows how spoons are completely obsolete!"

like... ???
Until this is meta, this is just a meme clear done by people who probably planned this out and had many failed attempts. Let them play however they want and the rest of the normal players will just continue to have 2 healers, including a full on guide for the exact party layout, and still can't clear a fight.

You're completely missing the point. We were told that healers had "engaging" gameplay in Savage/Ultimate. To do this without actual healers means that there's so little "engaging gameplay" for healers, that you can complete the fights without even needing one. Which means that the heal checks are so damned low that we're still pushing the same god damned boring one button spam as we are in content since the level 10 guildhest. Why the hell are you defending healers having the same damn gameplay for 90 levels?!

[Chiru_Kai]

You're completely missing the point. We were told that healers had "engaging" gameplay in Savage/Ultimate. To do this without actual healers means that there's so little "engaging gameplay" for healers, that you can complete the fights without even needing one. Which means that the heal checks are so damned low that we're still pushing the same god damned boring one button spam as we are in content since the level 10 guildhest. Why the hell are you defending healers having the same damn gameplay for 90 levels?!

Where exactly am I saying that?
I am simply saying that until this is meta, healers do have a job in 99% of parties.
By all means, go into PF with another healer, and only use your DOT and Glare/Dosis/Broil/Malefic and see how far your party will actually go in savage and ultimate content. Pretty sure you will be kicked in no-time for not healing.
How many statics do you see without any healers in it right now? How many parties for savage in PF have 1 or 0 healers?
Try to base your stance on realism, not on the exceptions to the standard.


I can understand wanting harsher heal checks, or a significant potency reduction on healing by other jobs. I'm all for that, and I never said I wasn't.
But I'm not freaking out because some cracked raiders do something exceptional.