Dawntrail's MSQ story is a disaster and waste of potential. [full spoilers]

[Jason_Ashford]

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Zarool Ja's main problem is that he basically didn't exist outside of.... 2 cutscenes priors to Heritage Found. His whole "unite the world through war" rhetoric felt shoved in because they were so busy trying to cram as much main character-ness into Wuk Lamat that they forgot the primary antagonists need character development too. And then that was completely discarded for the "woe is me. my father didn't love me enough to give me the throne". as some last ditch effort to elicit some sympathy for a character who is somehow even more 2-Dimensional than Bakool Ja Ja.

For Wuk Lamat who is supposed to give a shit about her people, she made no efforts at all to try and reach out to her brother despite his problems. she goes from uncaring to angry, to sadmad.

He would have been so much more compelling if they had written him with a fervent desire to prove himself worthy of being the true ruler of Tural and having that devolve into near fanatical desperation as he falls farther and farther behind in the rite of succession, culminating in him turning to Sphene's advanced technology to seize the throne that he feels is rightfully his in exchange for allowing Sphene to harvest his people for their souls and life aether.

[ViaDesperare]

Playing through SoC, which has 3 siblings fighting for their kingdom, and boy are the characters done so much better in SoC, even if the translation is not good.

Dantalion will sacrifice everything for his people, even his own life. Lutfi strives for advancement because every other country is improving, and he wants his country to advance and keep up with them while also fighting to get out of his brother's shadow. Inanna is the naive sheltered princess who learns that the world is unforgiving and has to fight to keep her people safe because a kingdom is nothing without its people.

Compared to a blue lizard boy with daddy issues, siscon nerd brother, and Black-Hole Sue the siblings in that game are insane in characterization, even if you don't like them. They also don't take up 30 hours to get characterized.

You can also get them all killed, so yeah. If only we got to do that with Wuk Lamat and Koana. Watching those three fail, learn, and grow has been so amazing. We really needed similar characterization with DT. Matsuno was hyped to play SoC from what I saw.

[SwadTheFrog]

Playing through SoC, which has 3 siblings fighting for their kingdom, and boy are the characters done so much better in SoC, even if the translation is not good.

Dantalion will sacrifice everything for his people, even his own life. Lutfi strives for advancement because every other country is improving, and he wants his country to advance and keep up with them while also fighting to get out of his brother's shadow. Inanna is the naive sheltered princess who learns that the world is unforgiving and has to fight to keep her people safe because a kingdom is nothing without its people.

Compared to a blue lizard boy with daddy issues, siscon nerd brother, and Black-Hole Sue the siblings in that game are insane in characterization, even if you don't like them. They also don't take up 30 hours to get characterized.

You can also get them all killed, so yeah. If only we got to do that with Wuk Lamat and Koana. Watching those three fail, learn, and grow has been so amazing. We really needed similar characterization with DT. Matsuno was hyped to play SoC from what I saw.

SoC? Sorry - which game? Sounds like a SRPG, and I've been dying to get into a new one.

[Raven2014]

SoC? Sorry - which game? Sounds like a SRPG, and I've been dying to get into a new one.

Sword of Convallaria.

Good news: it's a SRPG.

Bad news: it's a gacha game.

[SwadTheFrog]

Sword of Convallaria

...huh. Free to Play? That's actuallly completely unexpected. Thanks, I'll have a look.

Edit : Oh. It's a Gacha. For fuck's sakes.

[Raven2014]

...huh. Free to Play? That's actuallly completely unexpected. Thanks, I'll have a look.

Edit : Oh. It's a Gacha. For fuck's sakes.

Banner of the Maid, Triangle Strategy, Unicorn Overlord are all fairly recent SRPG tittles that I can recommend for gameplay, characters, and story.

And they're just good old no string attached SP games. You do have to pay for them though.

[SwadTheFrog]

Banner of the Maid, Triangle Strategy, Unicorn Overlord are all fairly recent SRPG tittles that I can recommend for gameplay, characters, and story.

And they're just good old no string attached SP games. You do have to pay for them though.

I've already tried out UO, it was alright. Just waiting a sale on TS, looked a bit flawed.

[ViaDesperare]

If you want other games, try out Troubleshooter Abandoned Children, Brigandine the Legend of Runersia, or Prime of Flames. If you've only played Fire Emblem, those games should be impossible to beat.

On to SoC, it's good. You can enjoy your time in Spiral of Destiny. If you two haven't played it yet, go try it out. You'll be praising the game in a week. The gameplay is better than Triangle Strategy, like insanely better.
In week, you'll be trash talking Wuk and explaining how Inanna and Nono are God-tiers beyond what she can ever be. It may be a gacha, but it's really well done. If you've played LangrisserM, it's pretty much that but in the form of FFT/TO.

[Raven2014]

In week, you'll be trash talking Wuk ..

I already have 101 games that I played that can be used for that purpose (some of them are even indie). I don't think adding one more gonna make a difference.

Also for me, there is no such thing as a "well done gacha". I don't even gamble in real life, and masking it behind a game does not make it any difference.

[Jojoya]

For Wuk Lamat who is supposed to give a shit about her people, she made no efforts at all to try and reach out to her brother despite his problems. she goes from uncaring to angry, to sadmad.

Which is likely because he was already the bad guy before she even came to Old Sharlayan to recruit us. When we had that sit down feast of roast parrot, both she and Erenville said that there was one claimant above all others that could not be allowed to take the throne. Once we made it to Tuliyollal and the claimants were all introduced, Erenville tells us that Zoraal Ja is the one.

She was not going to try to reach out to him during MSQ because by that point she knew it wouldn't work.

But I agree in general that Zoraal Ja didn't get the "screentime" needed to develop his character. We never got a good explanation of why he decided he needed to be the warmonger and would be conqueror. All we get is "people have to live through war to appreciate peace" then "let's just kill everything and screw peace".