Loot System for Savage

[GartredZW]

Ultimate, they release it and don't even unlock savage (because there is literally no other way to farm gear and i doubt new criterion will change anything) just so more people can enter.

I assume this is a bait post, like you cant do savage in bis too? Criterion?

You don't need BiS to do Savage. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to clear to get it in the first place.
Ultimates release months after Savage. you've got enough time to just save up books without winning a single roll to get your BiS for whatever class you're going to do Ultimates with.

What people don't seem to realize is that BiS isn't a gate for the vast majority of players. It's an achievement. What people are asking for by wanting Savage gearing to be quicker is for the achievement to be easier. "I want the Necromancer title, but I don't want to have to wade through all 200 floors. They should just let me start on floor 160 and still get the title." This is what these complaints sound like.
This is one of the few aspects that actually feels like an MMO. Getting a weekly clear, and getting nothing for it. (except not really nothing. you get the book) And just going "Oh well. Maybe next week." It's not easy losing out on loot a few weeks in a row, but you'll manage.
Another aspect of MMOs that has a place in FFXIV because of this system is Character Identity. You can't just gear up every single class as much as you want to. You have to specialize, and choose your favorites to build your unique character. You can get all of them into raids immediately with enough crafting or gil if that's what you want. And barring the astronomically small percentage of players who want to resub only on the Ultimate patches, and get clears with seven different jobs all back to back without any prep time, It's good enough, and works perfectly as intended.

[NanaWiloh]

I would like to see gear role locked weekly instead of 1 per week period.
If i want to bet the boss again to get DPS gear, let me. it'd also let me play with friends on an alt job without spending 400 hours on an alt

I can tell by your sig you have been there. Been to that place where you spend countless hours trying to get that one weapon. That one BLADE!!! And the game just keeps denying you like your the wolf blowing on a house of bricks.

[Somnolence]

The new Ultimates and Criterion won't be out for months though.

Its November, no? Lets assume 12 weeks.

Lets say you need pants and have 2 other left-side pieces needing upgrades. That is 12 books of M3.

If you don't win anything in M3 and don't even clear it week1 then you won't even have BiS by ultimate patch but will need nuts/alliance upgrades.

[1313]

"this keeps people subbed longer" is a load of crap. The loot system for savage is crap. What's the fix? Hell if I know, not my problem to figure it out. Something more rewarding for time and effort is all I can suggest to make it worth the sub money.

[Chiru_Kai]

You don't need BiS to do Savage. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to clear to get it in the first place.
Ultimates release months after Savage. you've got enough time to just save up books without winning a single roll to get your BiS for whatever class you're going to do Ultimates with.

What people don't seem to realize is that BiS isn't a gate for the vast majority of players. It's an achievement. What people are asking for by wanting Savage gearing to be quicker is for the achievement to be easier. "I want the Necromancer title, but I don't want to have to wade through all 200 floors. They should just let me start on floor 160 and still get the title." This is what these complaints sound like.
This is one of the few aspects that actually feels like an MMO. Getting a weekly clear, and getting nothing for it. (except not really nothing. you get the book) And just going "Oh well. Maybe next week." It's not easy losing out on loot a few weeks in a row, but you'll manage.
Another aspect of MMOs that has a place in FFXIV because of this system is Character Identity. You can't just gear up every single class as much as you want to. You have to specialize, and choose your favorites to build your unique character. You can get all of them into raids immediately with enough crafting or gil if that's what you want. And barring the astronomically small percentage of players who want to resub only on the Ultimate patches, and get clears with seven different jobs all back to back without any prep time, It's good enough, and works perfectly as intended.

"Welcome to Final Fantasy 14 where you can play every job and switch between jobs at will! It's so amazing and what sets us apart as an MMO!"
....
"No no, not in savage, there you have to get only 1 job to BiS which takes 12 weeks, maybe slightly less if you're lucky. Tough luck for you if you want to do 2 completely different jobs for ultimates that require BiS, gonna take you 6 months to do that and you might as well just wait for the next raid tier."
"Oh you went on a vacation? in AUGUST?! Are you *crazy*? Guess what loser, your timing for BiS and possibly viability for ultimate is now delayed by how many weeks you went on vacay and didn't complete savage raids. How DARE you have a real-life and not log in weekly. SMH."

[LilyPendragon]

I mean is this rly the engagement i should enjoy? (just for the luls)



Its def my last tier in PF. I simply dont enjoy this.

Just roll better, obviously a skill issue 4head

[Xuled]

just unlock it from the get go so you can run for infinite books. if you burn yourself out, your problem not the devs. but at least then it wouldnt feel absolutely terrible to gear alts or even off-jobs you may want to try in more difficult content

[GartredZW]

"Welcome to Final Fantasy 14 where you can play every job and switch between jobs at will! It's so amazing and what sets us apart as an MMO!"
....
"No no, not in savage, there you have to get only 1 job to BiS which takes 12 weeks, maybe slightly less if you're lucky. Tough luck for you if you want to do 2 completely different jobs for ultimates that require BiS, gonna take you 6 months to do that and you might as well just wait for the next raid tier."
"Oh you went on a vacation? in AUGUST?! Are you *crazy*? Guess what loser, your timing for BiS and possibly viability for ultimate is now delayed by how many weeks you went on vacay and didn't complete savage raids. How DARE you have a real-life and not log in weekly. SMH."

Didn't you read when I said that you can make every job savage ready by just crafting or buying gear? And yes. You shouldn't just be able to fully gear out all classes on current content. Pick your favorites and specialize a bit. I don't know how many people plan to Ultimate raid day 1 with two different jobs at the same time, but I can guarantee that they're not enough to upend the entire loot system for.
Also, are you surprised that taking time off from the game might not leave you with enough time to do what you want exactly when you wanted? I'll use an analogy again: "I want to play Dawntrail on launch, but I'm still in Heavensward because I took a break from the game, and now the game is forcing me to either waste time going through the rest of the story, or buy a story skip."

After this past month or so, it's pot calling the kettle black, but you don't actually need to be week 1 on anything if you're not ready. That's the beauty of this game. You can always be sure that you'll have something current to do for endgame regardless of whether it's just released, or a month away from being outdated, and soon enough everyone is going to be on equal footing again when the next tier releases.

[Colt47]

Since the last tier, i started a thread that addressed the loot system for the Savage and took out my frustration on it. That hasn't changed for this tier either. (i know we are on 2nd week)

The reason for this is how unfair it feels not to get any loot when you make the effort to clear it in PF.

I know that a static is the easiest answer, but that's not always an option.

Last tier the number of books that can be exchanged for the Savage items was reduced.

That is sure a nice step to get faster to his bis, but in my opinion doesn't improve the unfairness of the loot system.

What do you think? Should it stay as it is or should further adjustments be made?

My opinion is that savage is an after-thought that was included to cater specifically to people who sort of want something like WoW gear progression, but don't want to go into the hellhole that is... WoW gear progression. After clearing every tier in the past expansion plus the final two of Shadowbringers I feel like the entire thing has way too many restrictions. They added party wide buffs for having diversity which ends up being a ball and chain when the latest jobs are the most popular ones. The lockout system also sucks. I can't think of anyone who would want this system and even reducing books is just pointless.

[Raikai]

As a PF raider, it's frustrating to see some people leaving with ALL roll-able rewards while others get pity books. Week after week!

I'd like to see two changes:

- The implementation of a special loot rule that only allows people to win ONE item during the period that the raid loot is still restricted, similar to how it is to normal modes.

- Don't lock us out of previous floors' loot if we don't follow the clear order. To make an example of this: I'm reclearing the 3rd floor because I still need pieces there, but I don't need 1 or 2 anymore. The problem is that I can't help Party Finder clears for those floors without compromising people's loot, which feels bad.