I Love the Endwalker Relic Series

[Xenoviastar]

EW relic? what is the relic weapon exactly? I remember a tomestone weapon that gave me no satisfaction and looked ugly and that didn't match the design of the expansion. they better suit this current expansion.. (but still ugly)
I never want to see another "relic" weapon like this again.

I have farmed every relic from every Expansion and I love the grind, EW was the biggest slap in the face that I actually stopped playing for a few months for the first time in years

[Aniya_Estlihn]

They'll likely be tied into the new field operation this time around, like with Eureka and Bozja

Wrong. They stated that there will be multiple paths for people to take, implying a quest that will be independent of all other content that allows you to progress it through separate forms of content in various ways. We've already been told its not just tomes. I think you also need to understand that they have admitted, outright, that the relics are not tied to the Exploratory Zones, but they have been tacked on as the carrot on the stick to get people do them. Exploratory content is not relic content, relics just get shoehorned into it because they fear no one would do it otherwise.

[Supersnow845]

Wrong. They stated that there will be multiple paths for people to take, implying a quest that will be independent of all other content that allows you to progress it through separate forms of content in various ways. We've already been told its not just tomes. I think you also need to understand that they have admitted, outright, that the relics are not tied to the Exploratory Zones, but they have been tacked on as the carrot on the stick to get people do them. Exploratory content is not relic content, relics just get shoehorned into it because they fear no one would do it otherwise.

Bozja still this day is the single most interacted non MSQ or roulette content in the game so I’m pretty sure they are safe from not being done

They also said “alternate paths” about the ShB relics, they were still primarily Bozja content

[Arrius]

I woudn't mind a middle ground here.

The entry weapons and the first upgrades would be acquired with tomes, while the latter sections is about getting specific items from out in the field.

[royox]

While lazy me liked getting easy access to relics for every job, and all the glams they gave us - I felt a lack of commitment to the relic process and certainly a lack of prestige.

I'd think I prefer they go back to more meaningful journeys, even if it means I have to pick only one job to work on it with.

We still have accessible tomestone that works just fine for all the other jobs.

Felt the same.

On one hand I apreciated that I could get the relic super easy with almost ever 90 job I have...but on the other hand...it lost this "exclusivity" feeling? Like...in every expansion I had to decide beforehand "what 1 (ONE) relic are we going to get in this expansion?" and I would work for that one and be proud of myself for getting that ONE relic. Now All my jobs have the purple/blue glowing weapon and it's like...forgetable?

ps: Still use my HW Mimesis Lux on the SMN because IT'S THE BEST RELIC OF THE GAME.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

Bozja still this day is the single most interacted non MSQ or roulette content in the game so I’m pretty sure they are safe from not being done

They also said “alternate paths” about the ShB relics, they were still primarily Bozja content

Then they would fail the numerous people who hate exploratory content, myself included. Something Yoshida himself has mentioned wanting to accommodate in this next relic series is those who don't want to involve themselves with that kind of content. So while the wording may be similar, they know better than to tread the same path after they've told people they can implement it in a way that doesn't lock people to a reskinned fate grind—as that is literally all exploration content is.

If they return to that kind of design, I and many others won't engage with it. They got flak for lying about the alternate paths not requiring you to enter Bozja, if they are smart, they won't do that again.

[Supersnow845]

Then they would fail the numerous people who hate exploratory content, myself included. Something Yoshida himself has mentioned wanting to accommodate in this next relic series is those who don't want to involve themselves with that kind of content. So while the wording may be similar, they know better than to tread the same path after they've told people they can implement it in a way that doesn't lock people to a reskinned fate grind—as that is literally all exploration content is.

If they return to that kind of design, I and many others won't engage with it. They got flak for lying about the alternate paths not requiring you to enter Bozja, if they are smart, they won't do that again.

I mean you are fine to not like exploratory content but if you go by Bozja numbers in ShB they are likely going to chase that high again. At alot of points in ShB Bozja had more people completing it than eden NORMAL.

However I have no problem if they just did the ShB relic - the forced delubrum progression as that makes everyone happy but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they did enforce progression in the field content zone given how popular Bozja was

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Endwalker expac does not have a relic. They have a sidegrade, 2nd tomestone weapon lmao.

Calling the Mandervilles as relic is such a disgrace. I can't believe the dev even proudly mention their higher engagement metric at the time. No sh!t lol, they were given away for 'free'. They can give us DT Relic if we log in by 7.55 as a login bonus. That oughta give them the 100% engagement metric that they care so much. /s

Do better, SE.

[Aniya_Estlihn]

I mean you are fine to not like exploratory content but if you go by Bozja numbers in ShB they are likely going to chase that high again. At alot of points in ShB Bozja had more people completing it than eden NORMAL.

However I have no problem if they just did the ShB relic - the forced delubrum progression as that makes everyone happy but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they did enforce progression in the field content zone given how popular Bozja was

The simple fact is that they realistically cannot return to that form of relic progression without stepping on people's toes. Giving players a taste of tome relics has caused a desire for many people to have that ease. While talking about books, atma from anima and zodiac in interviews regarding 7.0 relics, stating they have a "new plan for the direction of relic content in 7.0" and saying it will be "a bit of everything" with "different avenues for progression based on player preference," does not, in any context or capacity imply that the relics will even remotely be tied to Shade's Triangle and its associated instances. And if they pull it off, the game will absolutely be better for it in every way.

That aside, Delubrum literally forced people to engage with the Southern Front as you had to complete it to get in. I had literally nothing to do in Shadowbringers as exploratory content leads to them hyper focusing on it —two 24m in zone instances, a unique solo instance, an extreme trial, multiple unique boss encounters via duels and CEs, two unique zones, Delubrum and its savage variant and all the various rewards that came from the content, it was excessive and they put all their eggs in one basket: Bozja. This led to them forsaking other things, something they are trying to avoid this time with announcing a buffet of various content ahead of time, but its still a fear many of us have with it being included at all.

My ideal would be to have a separate quest you accept outside of all other content pieces that has branching quests that lead you to do steps in other forms of content introduced throughout 7.X, with the Exploration Zone being the 'fastest' for those who actually want to engage in that content. While the other methods resort to past methods like books, atma, crystals, light, tomes and so on.

[Syln]

I'll take the bait, those weapons weren't relic, those were boring tomestones weapons with a story quest attached to it.

It a was lazy, obvious low budget content, since instead of giving us a separate Hildibrand quest line + a decent relic quest/system we got that weird amalgamation of both. This was nothing more than a disgrace when it come to what was ff14 standard in term of content.

And I'm not a ARR relic grind enjoyer either, i actually hated it and only completed it once over a 8 years span, Heavensward got it right, Stormblood was even better, Shadowbringer was on par even though i still prefer Eureka.

I don't care if it's grindy or not, i just want it to be entertaining and fun for a while.