Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Supersnow845]

I know "anecdotal evidence" and all, but I've yet to find that to be true. Whether it's PLDs, WARs or GNBs, I've never had that issue. Of course, the DRK isn't going to be soloing crap anyway, cause holy crap did SE do them dirty, so that doesn't even fall under the discussion here. If two DPS are alive when the healer is dead, those DPS stay alive when the boss is dead.

I mean anecdotal evidence and all that but you can see the opinions of everyone who is here and in the other 2 threads that popped up at the same time, a large majority are definitely tilting towards you as a quality of tank that protects the DPS being a vast minority in the game and the chance of being held hostage by a tank who won’t help them isn’t worth the risk that they may get a good tank like you who is actually an effective safety net for a bad healer

[Silver-Strider]

I know "anecdotal evidence" and all, but I've yet to find that to be true. Whether it's PLDs, WARs or GNBs, I've never had that issue. Of course, the DRK isn't going to be soloing crap anyway, cause holy crap did SE do them dirty, so that doesn't even fall under the discussion here. If two DPS are alive when the healer is dead, those DPS stay alive when the boss is dead.

I'd argue DRK is the only tank balanced in regards to the Trinity System, while the other 3 have escaped the boundaries long ago and have now led to a sense of entitlement that they no longer need to play as a team.

[nivada]

Problem is everything is tuned around hardcore. Only non disruptive option for casual content is, as someone else suggested, implementing a failsafe that kills tanks who do this.

SE is unfortunately not going to moderate someone even if they griefed you for a half hour.

I think a good failsafe is a check thatt checks if tanks are only ones alive if they are every 30 or 60 seconds the boss gives out a healing down stack and a vuln stack that don't drop.

Can't keep boss going for 20 minutes that way but can beat the boss if it is low enough.

[Sivante]

I think a good failsafe is a check thatt checks if tanks are only ones alive if they are every 30 or 60 seconds the boss gives out a healing down stack and a vuln stack that don't drop.

Can't keep boss going for 20 minutes that way but can beat the boss if it is low enough.

Problem there is to trigger that failsafe without disabling unsynced runs or BLU runs, so the coding requirements become more restrictive.

[sagacious]

I do it all the time. We have some pretty decent self sustain but it is not some crazy thing. The guy here was probably geared with the latest stuff. It makes us look invincible lol

We still die I promise you.

Tank will die during MK4 your gear and power tray avail you not ....

[gumas]

I think a good failsafe is a check thatt checks if tanks are only ones alive if they are every 30 or 60 seconds the boss gives out a healing down stack and a vuln stack that don't drop.

Can't keep boss going for 20 minutes that way but can beat the boss if it is low enough.

Nah, i think people should self aware, if tank think he cant solo it? Then just kill yourself, there is reason why newer dungeon border has damage ground

[TBerry]

I know you want to create a boogeyman of the evil tank letting the DPS die, but I have had a vast amount of dungeons where both DPS and the tank survived through entire boss fights after the healer splatters themselves over and over again. Just takes a slight bit of competence to keep each other alive, through use of things like Addle, Feint, Curing Waltz, etc. And that's just on the DPS side. Drink a potion FFS.

I, and many other players are tired of having to adjust for the incompetence of players who can't do their job at the sixth level cap. This stopped being an excuse when 50 was the level cap, now that we're double that, it's sheer laziness to not understand how to play. And before anyone goes "But what about level skippers?!" Screw them. Their terrible decisions aren't my problem either. If they can't be bothered to look up information, they shouldn't have skipped.

There are still first timers, though.
Despite never saying that, I do have a certain sympathy for first timers and a certain level of tolerance. And personally, I'm glad if the tank can get it over with after the xth wipe while I'm dead.
At one point you need to leave your ego behind and be glad it's over. There is always a next time.
As far as I am concerned, the Tank who clears solo gets a comm from me. I got them too after clearing solo. Or none liekely because the others just want to leave.

[PercibelTheren]

Nah, i think people should self aware, if tank think he cant solo it? Then just kill yourself, there is reason why newer dungeon border has damage ground

They should be, yes. But many aren't and it seems DT has brought them all out of the woodwork.

[dspguy]

If the boss's HP is less than 15% or so, I say "go for it." Everyone else can go AFK - make coffee, do laundry, have a quickie while the tank finishes it off. At 20% or more? Just jump off and reset.

It commonly isn't the tank's fault that the other 3 or 7 party members died. Maybe the tank feels they are being held hostage by people that don't know the mechanics.

[hydralus]

Funny story but I did a raid with an instant death mechanic (floor removal) and the tank died like 5 times. Got too comfortable just ignoring mechanics all their life, I guess.