Reverse WoW exodus

[MisterNublet]

BDO much better than FFXIV. I would go there.

If BDO had a ever implemented dungeons/raids, it would have been my main game.

Last time I played WoW seriously (raiding) was in Cataclysm, I tried BfA but that was such a flop, but even then, I'm curious to see how War Within does because I'm exhausted of FFXIV ShB 3.0 combat.

[Colt47]

MMOs are sort of the generational money generator for old IPs that millennial, early Gen Z, and Late Gen X players tend to engage in. It's in the same vein as TCGs and wargaming for the Gen X and Millenial generation. The main reason nothing new has appeared in the MMOs is that humanity hit a tech wall on what is possible without causing issues for players. Action MMOs have limited capability because of the need for low latency and tab target works across multiple spectrums but the space has been explored and figured out, so nothing much new can come from it. If SE made another FF MMO it would just be an iterative version of FFXIV, so they instead work on FFXIV.

[Ardeth]

I feel like the normal reasonable people left. I genuinely do. What we have left is the mmo equivalent of sloppy seconds.

It's weird because at one moment, 14 feels dead as hell. Maybe not in people afking, but like when you try to engage socially or try to be civil, this game is a corpse. I'm not talking about the 1000k people in a zone breaking the hunt train. I'm talking about the game. The queued up for frontline or msq or leveling. That game is dead. Anti-social. Anti new player, whatever you want to call it. Either out of contept or fear from moderation, this game is socially dead. Sure, your FC or your friend group are lovely, but your average player doesn't care. Your average party member is just in it for the reward. The joy of doing it is dead.

I just feel like if you told me 11 years ago, the community would devolve twice, I wouldn't believe you, but here we are. From the indistinguishable Wow/FF14 players of 2.0 to the heavily moderated players of today. Both kin in their contept for a social aspect. Both content with getting theirs while leaving you to twist. The passive aggressive arrogant sort. The "My game is the best game ever!" sort. The hypocrites and those who prop them up.

If there is an exodus, it's of the people who cared about the game. About its health and future. Because it's hollow now.

[Ayalu]

One problem every new MMORPG Faces is that they lack content and naturaly cant rival the amount of Content and things older games on the market can offer a new player.
Paired with the huge development cost and the once to keep it up its a risky buisness. But basicly those are also "game as a service games" and more and more of those get made against any reasonability.

[Kranel_San]

I didn't buy Dawntrail because I didn't like how it looked and didn't have faith in the developers, I was going to wait. And sadly I was right, I'm not satisfied with what I'm seeing in gameplay or narrative.

My bf got it, hated it, and ended up putting it down at a certain point where you have to walk around a big empty places turning off things. He went back to playing WoW, even. Which is bad. He isn't a long time WoW player or anything either, but I also think I'm going to check it out too to play with him instead of on FFXIV.

So, how about a reverse exodus? To anywhere really, any game you'd rather play than Dawntrail. May as well make it a boycott. No sense in wasting my time forcing myself to play something I don't care for like Dawntrail. The FFXIV fanbase is pretty blindly loyal though.

I'm glad Dawntrail tripped, because WoW newest expansion looks promising.

WoW have been trying to perform better these last few years to restore the players' faiths and the numbers. Now it's FFXIV turn to do the same.

Competition leads to quality, and quality leads to satisfaction. Dawntrail tripped, so that 8.0 can be much more successful, or another catastrophic disaster that might mark the second nightmare era of 1.0

[Wildheaven182]

I think the whole one game and nothing else mentality is really unnecessary, though I also understand it as MMOs are designed around you devoting all your time to just that game. But it is good to try other things. You wouldn't just watch one movie or read one book in your lifetime, so why resign yourself to only playing one game?

Oh im not one game and nothing else at all and i dont like that either. But when it comes to subscriptions im not going to have more than 1 game sub at a time just to be responsible.
People who are like one game nothing else are probably the toxic mindless FFxiv fanboy purists that are like "how dare you criticize my perfect game!?"

I always roasted wow and blizzard before myself despite having never played it, and was very resistant to trying it out. But I'm enjoying just questing with my bf in dragonflight. Neither of us have any interest in anything like savage or whatever either.
We like dragons, and it's sorta also a vacation arc like dawntrail only... not pointless. Things are happening all the time in every little quest that feel relevant and interactive.

We havent played wow before so i get people's complaints about stuff. I dont know what legion is but if people say its like a second job, well that sucks and i wouldnt like that either. Neither of us are super big on lore or story, though we do like FFxiv's lore better. He knows more about wow lore than i do, i know practically nothing.

It's just, what would we do together in dawntrail? Walk around skipping cutscenes for 22 hours? To play like 7 instanced dungeons or boss fights?
I just like that i get to play the game in wow. I get to hit things with stick. The skills are way more interesting too tbh because there's variability, and I think ffxiv cares way too much about balance at the cost of fun and still fail at it anyway.

[LilimoLimomo]

Play whatever game makes you happy; that said, as someone who thinks Dawntrail's MSQ is one of the worst FF14 has served up, I find it humorous that someone would go to WoW for a better story experience. In all my years playing WoW, I can't remember any good narratives from their main plots. WoW has plenty of juicy lore, but its moment-to-moment stories are almost entirely on-par with ARR*.

*There are of course exceptions to that in certain side quests (I will never forget Red Like My Rage), but the same is true for Dawntrail.

[Wildheaven182]

It's too complicated for new players to get into by all accounts, which is why it's riddled with veterans who know how to play it.

Despite how WoW players have talked up the graphics and even dared to say they are better than FFXIV... I am not impressed by any video I've seen of it..

Ah, i seem fine in casual stuff so far. But i have heard about the difficulty to entry but thats probably for getting into end game stuff that i dont care about anyway.

Honestly, i used to think the same that the graphics arent as good, but i think FFxiv just has the fancy glowy particle effects and WoW is way superior in every graphical aspect. Everything is moving and aninated and not stiff, and the animation is the absolute worst in ffxiv. Plus with all the new clipping, weapons floating a foot off of your back sometimes like on hrothgar... FFxiv looks unbearably horrible after playing wow myself. And wow the voice acting makes ffxiv english voice acting look like a complete amateur joke xD

I gotta say it... because it makes me sad. I want ffxiv to be a better game.

[Wildheaven182]

Not sure why anyone thinks the world revolves around which MMORPG they play. I'm a wow player! Now I hate wow with a passion and love ff14! FF14 did me wrong, now I love wow again! Play what you want, play them all, play nothing. Who cares, really?

Yeah, ive never been big on mmos. Im just not going to pay multiple subs at a time. ill go from one to the other just to save money.

I dont know why everything is assumed to be the most extreme. Like i dont hate ffxiv, i love ffxiv, but i dont like dawntrail enough to play it and i wanted a game to play with my bf.

I hate blizzard immensely for many reasons that everyone else does.

I dislike square enix for their lack of originality, creativity and risk taking, which is ironic for the game's roots in the 1.0 calamity.

I will probably have to maintain that I hate wow on principle but boy is it a lot more fun and interesting. FFxiv has always... had this feeling that it's just designed specifically to waste your time. Dragonflight gives me a game to play in my time.

[Sivante]

I feel like the normal reasonable people left. I genuinely do. What we have left is the mmo equivalent of sloppy seconds.

It's weird because at one moment, 14 feels dead as hell. Maybe not in people afking, but like when you try to engage socially or try to be civil, this game is a corpse. I'm not talking about the 1000k people in a zone breaking the hunt train. I'm talking about the game. The queued up for frontline or msq or leveling. That game is dead. Anti-social. Anti new player, whatever you want to call it. Either out of contept or fear from moderation, this game is socially dead. Sure, your FC or your friend group are lovely, but your average player doesn't care. Your average party member is just in it for the reward. The joy of doing it is dead.

I just feel like if you told me 11 years ago, the community would devolve twice, I wouldn't believe you, but here we are. From the indistinguishable Wow/FF14 players of 2.0 to the heavily moderated players of today. Both kin in their contept for a social aspect. Both content with getting theirs while leaving you to twist. The passive aggressive arrogant sort. The "My game is the best game ever!" sort. The hypocrites and those who prop them up.

If there is an exodus, it's of the people who cared about the game. About its health and future. Because it's hollow now.

I despise how much I felt this.