Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[TBerry]

I love how everyone is talking about tanks like we're some organized crime syndicate that holds meetings in our clubhouse over poker on how to F over the community with a new evil plot. Like "Holding them hostage" in a fight.

*Punches in Tank crime syndicate card* #tankcrimes

I think I WILL join my tank brothers and sisters to prolong the next fight when I'm the only one alive. muahahahah...haa...haaaaaa.

Of course, everyone heard of the 'Ntankheta.

[Supersomething]

This has been a thing since Paladins acquired Clemency. Tanks need a balancing pass to bring them back in line with their actual role in the group, tanking. Not a slightly weaker dps that has better sustain and durability than most dps classes.

[HighlanderClone]

Have you tried not dying?

Do not die and you will never have this problem.



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The people who can't clear the fight seem to actually have the skill issue.

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How are we in August and there are still brainlets who don't comprehend the idea of DPS dying to raidwides cos healers are dead.

90% of the time it isn't a skill issue. You die to a noob terrorizing you during spreads and get doubled. Or people running away from your stack marker. Or healers just flat out incapable of healing you because they were having a panic attack IRL after 1 single person died and went down to 2 APM.

It used to be healers have the biggest ego for playing the most braindead role, but now it looks like tanks are having an ego moment in Dawntrail for playing the second most braindead role.

[LilyPendragon]

How are we in August and there are still brainlets who don't comprehend the idea of DPS dying to raidwides cos healers are dead.

90% of the time it isn't a skill issue. You die to a noob terrorizing you during spreads and get doubled. Or people running away from your stack marker. Or healers just flat out incapable of healing you because they were having a panic attack IRL after 1 single person died and went down to 2 APM.

It used to be healers have the biggest ego for playing the most braindead role, but now it looks like tanks are having an ego moment in Dawntrail for playing the second most braindead role.

Because most of the people making such remarks aren't interested in actual discussion, they just want to make their pithy little statements and feel superior to the plebs who dared die to a raidwide

[ApolloGenX]

Did they kill it? I don't mind watching the mechanics (I mean you are dead for a reason)...especially if they manage to kill it.

[Turtledeluxe]

Jepp, and that is the problem. If a party is already completely overhelmed how to handle the stack marker and lets the healer die, how high is the propability, that it will get better after the next wipe? And how many additional wipes are you ready to accept if you have such skilled players in your party? 10 wipes? 30? 50? Or is it better to kill the boss alone?



Yes. If the tanks would really want to troll the players, they would bring the boss down to 1% and then die. This is high quality trolling.




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If you feel the fight is doomed, then leave. It doesn't give you the right to grief other people. It makes no sense to solo a fight to the point where you are doubling or tripling time spent already due to your pathetic ego.

[TBerry]

Did they kill it? I don't mind watching the mechanics (I mean you are dead for a reason)...especially if they manage to kill it.

Don't know, but the tank was certainly.... killing it.

I'll see myself out.

[x037x]

Don't die, Git gud

[Bobby66]

Not holding up gameplay for an inordinate amount of time, it's against the rules. You are preventing other people from playing.

And no, people learning the content isn't the same as holding you back from playing. DPSes wiping multiple times while trying to learn are correctly trying to engage with the content. They're not holding up gameplay on purpose even if it means you clear the dungeon a bit later. If they ARE by griefing, not doing their job, standing in damage, etc then you might have an angle but otherwise you don't. If it takes longer to clear because you have to let other people learn the content instead of soloing it, it's your job to deal with that reality.

It is not against the rules ro actively try and kill the boss. The ToS does not state a player must give up because people died to the boss.

A player ia not obligated to kill themselves because their party members died. Never said the other players were holding the party hostage for not knowing the fight. What I am saying is the tanks in question are under no obligation to stop trying so they can die just to give others a chance that ia not holding the group hostage either.

The obligation of being a normal social human being with common sense? But I guess we are in 2024 ...

Common sense is not shared. For some it may he common sense to try your best and nor give up. Standing their waiting to die is giving up. Idk

It depend of the situation.
If it's after multiple wipe, only 10 minutes left on the timer and the boss only have around 5% left, well okay, i even encourage and root for the tanks
Otherwise i think that the tanks should just reset.

Don't get me wrong I do agree but not everyone has the same standard. I also don't think it is against the rules to try and finish the fight. I doubt anywhere in the ToS states that trying to finish the fight is holding the group hostage like some people in this thread have stated.

[Silver-Strider]

Imagine needing 10 pages to determine tanks have become entitled A-holes.