Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Ketojan]

The people saying just don’t die are either trolling or woefully ignorant to how the game works (or maybe just rude). There is unavoidable dmg, if your healer gets a stack marker but your little baby team don’t stand with you then the healer will die, making all the raid wides that happen kill the team if no one will mitigate. On top of that if the team is so fresh they are probably just getting hit by anything they don't expect, so give them a chance to retry. Crazy to have to type this out when it should be obvious.

People used to be more patient and willing to help on this game, but the rise of impatient gaming is here to stay I guess.

[Voidmage]

The people saying just don’t die are either trolling or woefully ignorant to how the game works (or maybe just rude). There is unavoidable dmg, if your healer gets a stack marker but your little baby team don’t stand with you then the healer will die, making all the raid wides that happen kill the team if no one will mitigate. On top of that if the team is so fresh they are probably just getting hit by anything they don't expect, so give them a chance to retry. Crazy to have to type this out when it should be obvious.

People used to be more patient and willing to help on this game, but the rise of impatient gaming is here to stay I guess.

Agree.
I know it’s just a minority but DT (and parts of EW before that) have really soured tank players for me.

Soloing bosses for far too long,

if the healers die having a warrior or paladin not even bothering trying to keep the dps alive instead letting them die and just soloing instead,

Instant pulling tanks in current content and poor dancers having to dance after that or other players not even getting a hello out,

Aggro circlejerking in raids,

not moving an aoe tankbuster and more.

I have seen so many of these things lately, far more than in the past…

I know the majority are great and good people but… I don‘t know. Maybe tanks really need some nerfs here and there.

[Turtledeluxe]

Simple solution. If only one player is alive bosses enrages after 10 seconds. 400% increase in dmg output good bye tank.

This the only solution. There's no guarantee a tank would even use raise if they had it.

[Aniise]

Simple solution. If only one player is alive bosses enrages after 10 seconds. 400% increase in dmg output good bye tank.

Good solution but maybe make it at least a minute, 10 seconds is a bit fast. Otherwise, I'm totally down with this!

[Hallarem]

I love how everyone is talking about tanks like we're some organized crime syndicate that holds meetings in our clubhouse over poker on how to F over the community with a new evil plot. Like "Holding them hostage" in a fight.

*Punches in Tank crime syndicate card* #tankcrimes

I think I WILL join my tank brothers and sisters to prolong the next fight when I'm the only one alive. muahahahah...haa...haaaaaa.

[kajv95]

Duo'd Zeromus as DRK with a GNB partner a few months ago.

It was the... 7th pull or something? I explained the mechanics several times, and even announced his actions in chat. We used signs and everything. The MCH picked up, but they won't live without healers. At this point us tanks silently agreed we were going to just get it over with and did the entire fight from 40-50% ourselves despite some party members griping about it... But at that point, what am I to do? Do I leave and piss people off because it was late and getting another tank for Zeromus would've been way more annoying? Or do I eventually have this party run the timer out, forcing a group of people who might not even requeue to requeue and robbing people of their msq progression that day? What about the few in party chat that *did* just want to have it taken care of?

Imo if we're not allowed to do this, then they should kill the ability for us to do this. Does it suck? Yeah. But I'm still from the era where praetorium cutscenes wouldn't play normally because people were going too fast. Sometimes you just need to suck up the fact you're not playing with bots.

We *should* be complaining about how this is possible. We should ***not*** be blaming each other. Blame the game.

[Collin_Sky]

Just give tanks raise and remove it from casters
it's the obvious solution no one wants to accept

[Larirawiel]

There is unavoidable dmg, if your healer gets a stack marker but your little baby team don’t stand with you then the healer will die,

Jepp, and that is the problem. If a party is already completely overhelmed how to handle the stack marker and lets the healer die, how high is the propability, that it will get better after the next wipe? And how many additional wipes are you ready to accept if you have such skilled players in your party? 10 wipes? 30? 50? Or is it better to kill the boss alone?

I love how everyone is talking about tanks like we're some organized crime syndicate that holds meetings in our clubhouse over poker on how to F over the community with a new evil plot. Like "Holding them hostage" in a fight.

Yes. If the tanks would really want to troll the players, they would bring the boss down to 1% and then die. This is high quality trolling.




Cheers

[Ketojan]

Jepp, and that is the problem. If a party is already completely overhelmed how to handle the stack marker and lets the healer die, how high is the propability, that it will get better after the next wipe? And how many additional wipes are you ready to accept if you have such skilled players in your party? 10 wipes? 30? 50? Or is it better to kill the boss alone?

Well the same way you can assume it will take 10>30>50 wipes, I will assume it will take only 1 or 2? At worst I have personally experienced 5 on Zeromus normal just a month ago which DID end up being 2 tanks trying to keep the single healer alive at 15% left, but it was very cool with the whole team cheering for the clear. People naturally see one thing, die to it and then think "oh wtf happened I died to that, silly me" and remember next time the mechanic comes up. If they don't then extra help is recommended.

[Uncle_Jafar]

If he refused to wipe, I wouldn't hang around to watch that.