Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[Jeeqbit]

I do it all the time. We have some pretty decent self sustain but it is not some crazy thing. The guy here was probably geared with the latest stuff. It makes us look invincible lol

That gear is barely relevant in Valigarmanda normal because it level syncs the gear. By extension this item level syncs it also. Provided you are even in level 95-97 leveling gear, you already outgear the fight and will sync down.

We still die I promise you.

Rarely. I had a healer die in expert a few times the other day. Duo'd a boss and continued to kill a big pull with the DPS as if the healer didn't matter, because they didn't.

I do think it is ridiculous. I don't think there should be a specific type of attack that happens only when everyone else dies. But I think some very basic things should happen that used to happen in Heavensward:

heavy auto attacks such that it cannot be handled by the tank alone and requires a healer, Ahk Morn stack markers that with enough frequency are beyond what the tank can realistically invuln and mit through, adds that themselves deal so many autos that if there isn't and OT and healers it's over.

[Xelanar]

Tanks should die to mechanics like everybody else instead of eating vulnerability stacks for breakfast or taking stack markers alone.

[Turtledeluxe]

Tanks should die to mechanics like everybody else instead of eating vulnerability stacks for breakfast or taking stack markers alone.

Problem is everything is tuned around hardcore. Only non disruptive option for casual content is, as someone else suggested, implementing a failsafe that kills tanks who do this.

SE is unfortunately not going to moderate someone even if they griefed you for a half hour.

[TojiSuzuhara]

Not dying to mechanics and doing the properly to avoid damage is considered hostaging now? Interesting.

i guess you missed the part where i mentioned there were new people to the fight. tell me you didn't read it without telling me you didn't read it

[SwadTheFrog]

i genuinely almost never post here but its been a more common occurrence i've noticed this expansion specifically where tanks, knowing they can just out sustain a boss, will refuse to reset a fight and instead force players to sit there and wait for them to whittle a boss down. I decided to take my WHM into trial roulette for my daily and got Valigarmanda normal. There seemed to a be a couple of newer players and they were having issue with the add phase/stack marker mechanic and we ended up dying due to not having enough bodies to survive the stacks (except the tanks) so i was trying to explain to them the easiest way to handle it. Instead, the tanks only on the 2nd or 3rd pull decided to just keep going and make us sit and watch and the encounter ended up taking almost 30 minutes. I thought the healer strike thing was silly at first tbh, but i've noticed this happening more and more often and i'm at the point now i will just not be taking healers in duties anymore, ya'll can suffer.

To be quite blunt, I think this more displays how completely pointless healers are in content that isn't high end at this point. If two tanks can do a whole boss fight without any healers whatsoever, then big oof.

[Shinku_Tachi]

To be quite blunt, I think this more displays how completely pointless healers are in content that isn't high end at this point. If two tanks can do a whole boss fight without any healers whatsoever, then big oof.

Healers have been the focus of this situation, and I get it; but, this does more than display healers being completely useless. This exhibit displays DPS being completely useless too.

Who needs deeps and heals, when a tank with 30 minutes to kill, won't die and reset the boss; but, instead, will solo it while everyone's laying around dead, wasting everyone's time.

Out of any complaints that can be levied against Dawntrail. This should be chief among them and addressed asap.

If the community team reads any Dawntrail critique thread, I hope it's this one.

[Oizen]

Have you tried not dying?

[gllt]

Have you tried not dying?

No one can because the tank is soloing the boss. Have you tried dying?

[TojiSuzuhara]

Have you tried not dying?

so again, to be clear, there were a few new players in this fight and they panicked during the stack part of the adds phase...no amount of throughput healing was enough to keep my body alive lol. i *personally* think at this point in the game ppl should also understand what that marker does but besides the point did not really get to finish explaining to them that phase as the tanks immediately pulled again, hence us failing that part again and waiting over 20 minutes for the fight to be over

[Bobby66]

I mean if they are alive what obligation do they have to die because others were not able to stay alive for whatever reason?