Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[Rotpecra]

And how do you know that they are intolerant? Is it because they are saying blatant, genuinely racist/sexist things? Or is it because they believe trans people shouldn't be competing in women's sports? Or that they believe DEI hires exist? Or that they believe in meritocracy instead of Affirmative Action? The criteria for labelling someone a bigot is much looser nowadays. Probably anyone voicing any of the opinions I just put forth would get them labelled as a bigot nowadays, instead of warranting any actual good faith discussion.

im glad all this bickering is really restricted to the internet. irl everyone behaves normally.

[Chiru_Kai]

No I am sorry, the social contract is not as simple as you make it out to be. I will disprove this with examples.
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(had to cut quote due to char limit lmao)

Example A is nonsense. You can dislike the voice acting and not make it about trans. I respect that opinion, it's completely valid and, even as an LGBTQ ally myself, I think the VA needs practice.
People who defend it as "omg you're just anti-trans" are the radicals you can ignore if you didn't start to make it about transgender in the first place. However if the argument is "their voice acting sucks BECAUSE they are trans", you are a bigot. Simple.

Example B does not make the supervisor a bigot if there is a proper paper trail, and the LGBTQ individual is abusing their minority status for preferable treatment. However, if the LGBTQ individual can prove that their supervisor made anti-LGBTQ comments they can absolutely use this in their defense even if their performance is still arguably bad. Conclusion is: don't make about being a minority, fully focus on performance, and make sure it is absolutely, 100% about nothing else. Simple. Basic human decency.

Example C is a known "fake outrage". Exaggeration and rarely happens ever, if at all. Lots of trans MtF women participate in women's sports and just can't beat cis women, but that fact is just conveniently ignored by the alt-right weirdos until a FtM trans does happen to win.
There's plenty of checks and regulations in place at the moment for such situations in the real world (meaning not the world that alt-right propaganda feeds people who follow it). Go look it up, if you dare to prove yourself wrong.

[Zabuza]

im glad all this bickering is really restricted to the internet. irl everyone behaves normally.

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

[Ramiee]

im glad all this bickering is really restricted to the internet. irl everyone behaves normally.

It's because irl nobody actually cares about this stuff, people just want to get on with their lives and stay out of pointless conflict.

[Rotpecra]

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

thats how its always been though. before the internet. the most outrageous news or people were restricted to newspapers and television. never in your real life daily circle. aside from maybe a boss who treated their female workers terribly

[Pepperblue]

"I want you to respect the fact that I don't want people like you to exist and hate everything about you"

Why are lgbt expected to respect people who don't respect them? I never understood that logic

[Rotpecra]

"I want you to respect the fact that I don't want people like you to exist and hate everything about you"

Why are lgbt expected to respect people who don't respect them? I never understood that logic

im lgbt and i think the voice acting of wuk was terrible sorry

[Reinha]

Many people just keep it under wraps. Especially those who don't agree with certain aspects of the LGBTQ agenda, because they know they will be punished and immediately labelled as a bigot. Even if they want to have a good faith, nuanced discussion, they would probably get reprimanded or fired from their job, or have family/friends scream at them and possibly even cut ties with them for wanting to have a discussion about these things that challenges the western societal accepted worldview.

There are public thoughts and private thoughts. When people have something to lose, you'll only see their public thoughts. And when they are truly able to be themselves, like on anonymous platforms or in private with like minded people, that's when you can see their private thoughts. Punishment and moderation will only ever impact what kind of public opinions people express, but what people are actually thinking can not be policed.

[Lusarae]

What is "western wokeness"?

Is it being inclusive of diversity? Is it being generally decent and humane? I'm not sure I know what "western wokeness" is actually defined as.

I see it as a label for a group of people that took what used to be racism on the personal level, then reversed it, made the racism systemic instead of just personal, and think they're doing the world good.

Also literally EVERYTHING I have seen under the "banner" of this group or a likeminded group has just never been good. A game? The game usually sucks. Movie? The movie is trash. Show? The show ends up getting canceled. Government leader? They end up being the worst we've had in decades. Sports? They ruin what used to be fair and turned it into a mockery of what it once was. Everyone wanted to call themselves woke about some silly perceived prejudice, but they are actually asleep to the class war that is going on which has nothing to do with race or gender. They're all "useful idiots" to the ruling class as the perfect distraction to keep everyone busy with.

[Zabuza]

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Example A is nonsense. You can dislike the voice acting and not make it about trans. I respect that opinion, it's completely valid and, even as an LGBTQ ally myself, I think the VA needs practice.
People who defend it as "omg you're just anti-trans" are the radicals you can ignore if you didn't start to make it about transgender in the first place. However if the argument is "their voice acting sucks BECAUSE they are trans", you are a bigot. Simple.

I appreciate the genuine answer. I will focus only on Example A because I don't want to derail this too much with the other examples. One could make the argument that it is hard not to make it about transgender when companies are often implementing DEI hiring practices and for someone who believed that, this would appear to be one such case since it does not make sense why the VA quality is markedly lower than other recent major characters. It is difficult to voice things like this without offending the other side and making them immediately think you are a bigot. What if the reason this trans VA was hired by the company really was because she was trans so they were given prefential treatment in the VA casting role for the MC of Dawntrail? How does one voice such a concern without appearing as a bigot for voicing that view? Whether you think this view makes them bigoted or not, there are plenty of people who would automatically write that person off as a bigot.

"I want you to respect the fact that I don't want people like you to exist and hate everything about you"

Why are lgbt expected to respect people who don't respect them? I never understood that logic

Or you can just take a step back, breathe, and not immediately come to this conclusion just because someone criticizes something about LGBTQ. A person bringing up DEI hiring practices or saying this trans VA was terrible does not mean they want your existence to be erased or for LGBTQ to forever be marginalized. LGBTQ is not immune from criticism, just like no one else should expect to be immune from criticism.