Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Avidria]

Man this is all wild to me, the writing for her wasn't great but it wasn't half as bad as all this.
Imo the entire second half of the story suffered from some mediocre writing and bizarre problems, and Wuk Lamat was far from the biggest. I actually loved her for the first half, and didn't find anything about her annoying until the point in the story where other things were already far more annoying.

[ReynTime]

Did she get nasty DMs with reportable threats? Unfortunately most likely. There's plenty of nutters out there and social media are "perfect" outlet for them.

Is she trying to use them to score victim points? It definitely looks that way. Because now all the real criticsm will be bundled up with those crazies and tried to swept aside. It's not the first time it's been done, too.

I just hope SE is able to see past the Twitter drama and admit (even if only to themselves) that they do have problem with DT and character of Wuk Lamat.

This always happens. It's like when the 2016 ghostbusters movie revealed its trailer, and because for every 1000 comments there were a dozen or less that said something offensive, articles and representatives would generalize "WHITE MEN ARE FURIOUS ABOUT NEW GHOSTBUSTERS". It only takes a handful to twist it into a whole storm of "hate" or harassment.

[IvoryHawk]

There I went and snagged it myself.

A silly nitpick but it's crazy that she put misgendering before family or the death/r*pe threats and doxxing

[Petroglyph]

A silly nitpick but it's crazy that she put misgendering before family or the death/r*pe threats and doxxing

Probably just the order of how things happened, and what she's had a larger volume of, so putting the familiar common thing first, and the more "what the **** is happening actually" stuff last makes sense. And I think it's not uncommon in combative verbal situations for people just to cling to the last thing you say. ^^;;

[JimCasey_RF6]

If, in the past, she has pushed for VAs who don't fit the role to step down, then she absolutely must follow through with it in her own situation if she doesn't want to completely invalidate herself.

[Raven2014]

I'd be quiet on it if she hadn't previously pushed for VAs to step down 'if they don't fit the role'. Well, by her own logic, she doesn't fit the role. So... she should step down from it, let someone with the range take over. This isn't even a trans thing, I literally could not care about that. This is about a bad performance, someone criticizing a bad performance, and suddenly the claims she's made before don't apply to her.

I can deal with unapologetic jerks just fine. I get along with them, even. But hypocrites? No. Not dealing with that. I'm going to hold you to the standards you want everyone else held to, hell or high water, and skill at performing the job is the first and ultimate arbitrator as to if you're fit.

You know how many times I have seen "activists" who openly use aggressive method and language to promote their own belief, upon receive severe backflash will claim "OMG I'm being harassed by weirdo!" ? Every single time.

On principal, of course I'm against any form of harassment or bullying. If I see innocent people get bullied, I believed the victims should be defended and their bullies be brought to justice.

On the other hand, I'm just a normal person who believe in 'cause and effect. So when I see an ex-bully themselves getting bullied ... it's really hard to be a sympathetic even if I want to. Again, rationally do I believe a bully should be bullied in return? No. But asking myself to feel the same for the ex-bully as I would an innocent victim ... I'll be honest my humanity is not on that level.

Just like you, if I have to choose than a straight up honest jerk is much preferable to a hypocrite.

I've been criticizing the VA a lot, but never once I crossed the line.

- I wish the harassment will stop.

- I hope the authority will be able to catch the harasser.

- Buy none of that will stop me from criticizing her performance.

[Somnolence]

Whos at fault there, according to journalists?

Diversity is often used as a shield for criticism and this makes the entire discourse very toxic as honest discussion is no longer possible.

At least this time claiming that all complaints about Wuk Lamat are due to VA being trans are very apparently bogus since JP (and people playing with other languages) also hate the character.

Death threats to actors of disliked characters is sad, but not unusual either in age of social media - the guy playing Joffrey in Game of Thrones received them as well.

To get back to English VA, when you have subpar performance then natural follow-up question is how this got into the game, because ultimately somebody had to approve this.

[Ashpd]

Look at all those failed games for the last 2 years...just to name 2..:Suicide Squad and Flintlock. Whos at fault there, according to journalists? The bad players that wont buy garbage, and every criticism is unvalid. Gonna agree...the VA just wants to score Victim points so that annoying arguments about the terrible performance is not valid and can be blamed on "hate". This Person said : "If your not fitting the role,step down as VA". Did she fill the role of Wuk Lamat? Fuck no. The japanese VA did a great job, the english one absolutly not. Did the VA step down because of it? No. Double standards we have here.

Exactly. Btw, get banned on ffxiv reddit for exactly same words. Hmm. And dont forget about Sena's point finger on others VA.

But i think we again step away from topic theme to offtop

[LisseyCrowe]

Discussion of this latest particular one aside, I'm gonna be honest, there's been a lot of Tweets from Sena popping up in this thread and I'm kind of getting uncomfortable with how she seems to feel about non-trans women.

Whether it's hate, an inferiority-complex, or whatever she could easily make what she's saying perfectly clear without bringing it up. It's weird and most importantly probably unhealthy for her.

[Midare]

This is the big one for me, to be honest.

You can 'not fit a role' for a dozen reasons, and in this case it's just that she can't perform the range necessary to the character. A good VA might have made what is absolute crap writing entertaining- we've all seen things where the actor chews the scenery into bits and it's the best thing in the entire medium- but she wasn't able to. I mean, look at Red Alert 3. The story's pure schlock, but Tim Curry, JK Simmons, and George Takei spend the entire time making the set crew work overtime because they're eating it faster than termites ever could, and it becomes hilarious and fun.

That's exactly the thing.

My only access to the EN voice over is through content creators and friends playing the game in that language. I'm a weeb, I play the game in japanese. The JP VA has only 9 roles under her belt, but she was putting feeling into the role, it shows, and considering she was next to an industry huge name like Ono Daisuke, she had to or she'd be completely overshadowed (not that Ono didn't kill it because he went all out for Everkeep).

And yet, even from the pre-patch, I was iffy about Wuk Lamat, I liked her dynamic with Erenville but her reaction to the Colobri and subsequent denial was a little meh, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Half way into Heritage Found I was already thinking "ugh shut up Poochie!".

In the pre-patch, I heard her voice in EN and I thought "What in the world is that accent?" since I reacted with instant rejection to it.

And now that my friend is playing through the MSQ and I'm watching it...

That one scene with Galool Ja, my heart was breaking for the boy and I even got on Wuk Lamat's side when she comforted him. Why did it felt so threatening in EN?

I hear every other VA in their role and they fit, even if I also have my questions about how they directed the DT cast because I want to know who told the VA for Koana to go for the Antonio Banderas approach, but Poochie's voice it's like nails on a chalkboard.

And it stands out so awkwardly, that I even noticed that she also voiced the one bunboy (I think his name was Nahee) Erenville stumbles upon in Solution 9 when he starts asking about his mom. When that scene came up, I burst out laughing with the first line and my friend was like "Huh? What is it?" and I told "That's Poochie's VA!", then he heard the next voiceline and he too burst out laughing. I'm still not sure if that was her, but the way it stood out like a sore thumb, I'm at least 90% sure it was her.