Reraise

[Connor]

This is such a bad take I don't even know where to explain. Healer's main responsibility has already been largely delegated due to the rediculous amount of party healing.

But ok I'll bite, instead of using buzzwords like responsibilities and freedom and engagement, how about you give me some specific example. But be warned, if it's not something healer specific and just "moar DPS", I don't want to hear it 'cause I alreayd hear it 10 millions time before.

Like literally anything involving actual healing lol. I really couldn’t care about ‘dps’ for healers in the slightest to be frank.

- Higher unavoidable damage output
- More frequent damage output
- More frequent / stronger bleeds
- More frequent unavoidable debuffs that necessitate Esuna
- More ‘1HP Doom Mechanics’
- Auto-attacks from bosses dealing more damage to necessitate use of shields and/or regen
- Stronger Attacks on someone other than the tank. I.e damage on a random dps every so often
- Potentially adjusting strength of oGCD vs GCD spells to necessitate using gcds

The main argument people use against these is ‘but that’s too hard for [some] healers!’. But that only applies in a situation where the healer is solely responsible for dealing with those mechanics. If other jobs have the capacity to assist they can then make the overall experience for healers better without causing undue pressure on certain players

[lolnotacat]

I like the idea, but it needs a big detriment otherwise it could be used to cheese content, especially when an LB3 is charged.

Maybe it casting it is similar to Excog. It sits as a buff and casts when you go down. But while you have that buff, you're unable to cast a normal rez on anyone else and if you self raise, you're unable to limit break for 120 seconds.

[Zomkei]

In the past there were some cross class skill options. I really miss that.
I always skilled my Paladin with raise. When I came back to the game after a break my raise was gone because they dumped down the system. I still feel robbed.

Not everyone was able to cross-skill raise but if I remember right then all tanks could.
And I also think that raise suits Paladin very well. : )

only paladin could, and even then, they could only raise out of combat. healers and arcanist got a trait that allowed them to raise during combat.

[Lck0ut]

Are they then going to tax a class like Machinist for having a Rez even more than it already is - as it's nearly dead last in desirability already?

I'd rather healers get their own re-raise that requires some careful thought into it's use.

Give BRD and DNC the raises, and give MCH bigger damage instead. It's a greedy dps like SAM and BLM (and VPR too now), so let it do comparable damage.

[mallleable]

Give BRD and DNC the raises, and give MCH bigger damage instead. It's a greedy dps like SAM and BLM (and VPR too now), so let it do comparable damage.

Nooooo. keep raise away from BRD.

[Connor]

Nooooo. keep raise away from BRD.

Why? It’s not like they didn’t have it before. Though, granted, 1.0 was a different game lol. But they had lb3 in 2.0 too, so it’s not like it’s something they could never do before

[Reinha]

Other roles should be stripped of their party healing and tanks of their infinite self sustain, and healers having a self raise would be a good counter to the complaints about healer deaths leading to a wipe. I don't want to see any more aoe heals, raises and party shields given to dps and tanks. If you want to heal and raise, play a healer.

[Lorika]

Other roles should be stripped of their party healing and tanks of their infinite self sustain, and healers having a self raise would be a good counter to the complaints about healer deaths leading to a wipe. I don't want to see any more aoe heals, raises and party shields given to dps and tanks. If you want to heal and raise, play a healer.

There is only 2 case for raise : SMN and RDM.
For SMN, it's just a remnant of when it shared skills with Scholar and should be removed, i agree
For RDM, no. It's in the lore of the job so the raise and heal must stay.

[VictorSpoils]

Reraise isn't suited for high-end content, isn't needed in healer-inundated normal 8-mans, and healers barely even die in level cap dungeons for reasons already acknowledged. It's also a defeatist action that sets you up to get KO'd.

Every time the cross class Raise gets brought up it really sounds like rose-tinted glasses. You couldn't use it in battle or swiftcast it, and you already had a Conjurer leveled so you wouldn't use it outside of duties either.

Also, if it were even possible to balance 4/5 roles having raises they would have to at least be on long cooldowns, especially if DoW raises wouldn't need to be swiftcast.

Overall...no.

[Connor]

Every time the cross class Raise gets brought up it really sounds like rose-tinted glasses. You couldn't use it in battle or swiftcast it, and you already had a Conjurer leveled so you wouldn't use it outside of duties either.

Also, if it were even possible to balance 4/5 roles having raises they would have to at least be on long cooldowns, especially if DoW raises wouldn't need to be swiftcast.

That only applies to Paladins casting cross-class raise in 2.0 though, not Bard’s healing LB3.

And, naturally they would have long cool downs. I meant like throwing a potion at them with a 180 sec cool-down or something, not literally copy+pasting Raise onto phys range. That wouldn’t make any sense anyway because they don’t use MP.