Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

[Saraide]

Going to play devil's advocate here, but have you ever considered that the amount of feedback that advocates to keep the class as it is, is outweighted by the amount of feedback asking for change?

I'm fairly sure that none of the decisions made by SE are just a "let's try this" and are founded on numbers they have from the game, as well as other threads.
Not saying that I don't understand the concern, as we do have seen cases where changes were done and rolled back later on.

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

[NekoNova]

Well where is that outweighing feedback? Have you found it?

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

[Rueby]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

[NekoNova]

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

I honestly don't know if that's true, or contains any truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developers focussed mainly on Japanese feedback, them being Japanese themselves.
The Japanese player base makes up around 1/3rd of the total player base of FFXIV, so it's definitely a huge portion.

I'm fairly sure that the EU/US feedback is collected as well by community managers or something, so I doubt they are ignoring the things we post here.
But it's speculation at best.

[Saraide]

I honestly don't know if that's true, or contains any truth.
I wouldn't be surprised if the developers focussed mainly on Japanese feedback, them being Japanese themselves.
The Japanese player base makes up around 1/3rd of the total player base of FFXIV, so it's definitely a huge portion.

I'm fairly sure that the EU/US feedback is collected as well by community managers or something, so I doubt they are ignoring the things we post here.
But it's speculation at best.

Well mr devil's advocate, would you say that feedback after the fact in favor of removing death's design from viper to replace it with leaden fist instead is outweighing the feedback against doing that?

[NekoNova]

Well mr devil's advocate, would you say that feedback after the fact in favor of removing death's design from viper to replace it with leaden fist instead is outweighing the feedback against doing that?

Don't ask me, ask SE XD
I have no stake in this outside just playing the game.
I'm somewhere in the middle about these changes, not for, but not against them either, cause I doubt I'll be playing Viper that much outside leveling it.

[Mcg55ss]

Oh so...they only listen to JP feedback? Classic.

i mean i knew this LONG before i joined this game. SE has ALWAYS prioritized its JP fans over western audience.

[Reinha]

I have actually, it's called the Japanese forums.
This is the Viper thread in their DPS Forum: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...3%83%AC/page49

Using a bit of Google Translate and my own knowledge, the reactions seems to be more or less positive to the changes.
They applaud the holding off on the positional requirements, and there's a few posts that are sad about the removal of the poison changes, but overall people seems to be welcoming and willing to try the changes at least.
Which feels for me a huge contrast to how our forums are discussing the changes.

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

[NekoNova]

JP were whining how they can't even do solo MSQ battles without addons. It's pretty clear who this game is being designed for and it's not the western demographic with at least two decades of tab target MMO knowledge from games like World of Warcraft who would like to use some braincells every now and then. No, it's for people who like fashion, ERP and their cutesy characters.

God forbid we have to actually watch a timer in combat and remember to refresh it before it drops off. Nah, lets just remove 1 out of 3 buff timers and also make the combo finisher timers so long you literally can't fuck it up unless you forget to attack the boss. Who needs things like preparing for a burst window in advance when you can just have 6 positionals, a mechanic from 2013 and nothing else, to differentiate good and bad players? Don't worry about learning how to use two Reawakens correctly, now you can just use it when it glows just like all the other Viper abilities.

They are ruining my main jobs so consistently I'm running out of jobs to play. BRD, DRK, AST, SMN and now VPR. Which one is next? Can I please play PCT without someone idiot-proofing that too?

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

[Supersnow845]

I'll reply with this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6560552
Which is a fair and good explanation why these jobs are changed the way they are.
SE is tuning the game so that everyone can enjoy this, and not just a select few.
And from a long-term perspective, this makes way more sense than catering to a niche group of players.

What square is doing is making the skill ceiling accessible to people who don’t want to try, that’s a totally different thing

People shouldn’t be excluded from jobs but you shouldn’t hit the skill ceiling 0.00000002 seconds after you reach the skill floor and that’s basically what modern 14 job design is

There needs to be a sense of progression in your understanding and execution of a job as you get better at it or nobody will stick to any of the jobs