Giving feedback in this game is pointless (Viper changes)

[MeowMita]

At this rate I do not have a lot of faith on them delivering on a job redesign / making jobs interesting or what not in 8.0. The idea of "making jobs simple and fights complex" has many issues because:
- Simple jobs really show when fights aren't complex or well done, which means the onus is on making every fight interesting. A complex job can reduce the disappointment from an uninteresting fight and the inverse is true as seen with many fights from last expansion (P1S, P6S, P11S, Rubicante, etc).
- All of the content from before that was designed with more complex jobs is now much more boring / less challenging, though I would say this mostly applies to ultimates since not many people are doing savages synced.

[GrizzlyTank]

Hey! Viper survived longer than DT monk!

[EponaTBHSMH]

I took a look at the JP Viper thread again and the opinions are getting more mitigated, we have some hope

[JayW_]

I had so much fun with VPR, as a NIN main, giving me something to keep refreshed that actually did damage (I still miss the upkeep of the Huton gauge, odd as that may be), and now it just.... well. It's like NIN. There's not considerable reason to swap up your basic combo. It was a new class that I actually enjoyed as a secondary when I couldn't play my main, and now I'm just sad about it. Unlikely as it may be, I'd love them to change it back.

[koko-on-da-forumz]

This is why SE needs to introduce community polls to approve/disapprove changes like this, how Runescape does it.

Clown shit.

[Saraide]

The frustrating thing is we literally have evidence how the viper change was not needed. People were not failing at viper, they were playing it en masse but they were not failing at it compared to other jobs. People failing at picto or black mage were far behind optimal damage output but for viper that range was just about as large as for other melees, on the smaller end even, despite being an entirely new job and despite having the largest number of people playing it.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I waited to comment until I could log in and try it out. I felt DREAD reading the patch notes, but after playing the only dread gone are my beloved dread skills.

I immediately fell in love with Viper because it had a great class fantasy of injecting venom and maintaining the effect throughout the fight to "weaken" the enemy.

Mechanically it was also fun to manage these timers. As others said if they needed this easier for some reason, why not just increase to 30 seconds/1 minute?

Feel sad and disheartened now, as a core part of the experience is just now completely gone.