Machinist: The "Selfish" Physical Ranged that is not allowed to be Selfish

[Lanvaldear]

You know what SE could do if they actually wanted us to have fun? Uncap Wildfire from 6 GCDs. We'd be able to do some skill expression with double hypercharge windows there.

But they won't because that would be... non standard.

I just wish WF could crit/DH. That would be cool.

[Ramiee]

You know what SE could do if they actually wanted us to have fun? Uncap Wildfire from 6 GCDs. We'd be able to do some skill expression with double hypercharge windows there.

But they won't because that would be... non standard.

HW Wildfire was pretty fun though very inconsistent. I wonder how it woul of been under the current raidbuff meta.

[Reginald_Cain]

For the MCH selfish approach to actually have them much higher in the metrics (talking about Rdps here), they would have to drastically increase the complexity of the job, pretty much the same relationship from BLM to SMN, or else nobody would want to take DNCs or BRDs in the phys ranged slot.

I think you're forgetting the fact that in stormblood when mch was strong, double phys ranged was viable. I don't think it's fair that melee and caster can double slot but not phys ranged. This is despite them having a selfish dps that could use its peers buffs to the fullest if it were allowed to function like BLM and SAM. I think the mobility value is INSANELY inflated by ego and bias in the raid and ex trial scene but i understand the detriment of ranged castless nukes in a FATE setting
. (Looking at you BLU...) . Lets not sugar coat it melees are not punished nearly as harshly for missing positionals or disengaging from bosses as stormblood and prior. You no longer bleed TP by existing. As long as its not the same job let people fill the last dps slot with whatever role they like.

[Valence]

HW Wildfire was pretty fun though very inconsistent. I wonder how it woul of been under the current raidbuff meta.

That was the great thing about HW/SB WF. It felt great to pull off not only because of the demential nuke it was comparatively to anything else in the game, but also because it actually rewarded you for everything you put inside, and it worked well because we had rng procs and it was NOT fixed, and introduced a lot of player agency around it. Currently it just checks if you have the correct amount of GCDs, which is extremely underwhelming.

[Keichi]

How would people feel about mch becoming the only phys ranged with cast times?
Since bard/dancer have buffs, their low dps is more justified
but giving mch cast times (not every ability mind you) would ideally allow them to tune mch around sam/viper/blm levels
i personally think the ranged phys tax is stupid as hell, but they seem adamant about keeping it.

See no advangte with that. Ok, the cast time could be justifyed as a form of re-load the gun or the device at the hips.
But, given him to much cast time, would make him practicly into a caster to (ok, it could be similary to Samurai or Reaper, who has some casting to).

In addition, remind me this very much at the time, where Bard had exactly that (i heared, it had a time, where he used mp and had a lot of casting time to).

Mch could need some rework with the skills (flamethrower feels useless, you press it one time and can do nothing for some seconds). But making him a caster, wouldnt work good (i liked the proc system, back at the hw times, but that has dancer now and at part, the archer to)

[Valence]

If people want to play casters, they can go play... casters, you know. They don't exactly come in a shortage, there is currently 3 casters and 4 healers in the game.

[Ramiee]

MCH could maybe take inspo from picto and have casting that's to prepare a strong move with multiple uses like loading your gun with grenades or something for example.
Maybe having a casting but you can move weaponskill like PvP could work too

[Zarkovitch]

If SE do not bring this job good dmg as selfish, then bring defense utility better than other phys range.

[KapraGoatmog]

MCH is fine as is. Letting the drunks on the dev team make more unecessary changes would be horrific. It's a pure dps job, like pict, blm, mnk, drg, sam, rpr, and vpr. Where are the calls to make all those jobs buffers? All the suggestions here, especially the adding cast timers, would make mch a fucking mess and you would lose a job until 8.0. leave mch alone or get better at playing it. You dont need to use flamethrower, its a fun skill to have for times when you're not sucking off a bard because you think you need to buff everyone with a magic potentcy buff despite no mages in the party.

[KapraGoatmog]

MCH could maybe take inspo from picto and have casting that's to prepare a strong move with multiple uses like loading your gun with grenades or something for example.
Maybe having a casting but you can move weaponskill like PvP could work too

sounds like you should just play picto and leave the non-fotm jobs to more experienced players