Machinist: The "Selfish" Physical Ranged that is not allowed to be Selfish

[Reimmi]

How would people feel about mch becoming the only phys ranged with cast times?
Since bard/dancer have buffs, their low dps is more justified
but giving mch cast times (not every ability mind you) would ideally allow them to tune mch around sam/viper/blm levels
i personally think the ranged phys tax is stupid as hell, but they seem adamant about keeping it.

[Valence]

Job not only needs a rework but all Physical range should have some sort of structure of Risk and Reward..

How you can balance range job with 0 casting?

I am not saying that Phy range should have a cast but the current state are just bad

I've already said it in another thread but I'll reiterate, and perhaps this is a hot take, but I do think way harsher punishment for dying could be a path worth exploring.

But ultimately I'd like something proper to the role. I don't know what. Rotational complexity and rng/priority on the fly used to be a thing for rphys, but they simplified BRD, removed all RNG and ammo from MCH (????), and made DNC more and more braindead since EW.

How would people feel about mch becoming the only phys ranged with cast times?
Since bard/dancer have buffs, their low dps is more justified
but giving mch cast times (not every ability mind you) would ideally allow them to tune mch around sam/viper/blm levels
i personally think the ranged phys tax is stupid as hell, but they seem adamant about keeping it.

This is ignoring the fact that DNC and BRD aren't faring better or worse than MCH. There is no lower or higher dps justification. What matters is cDPS and it's comparable in the same ballpark right now. If DNC and BRD don't need a buff, then neither does MCH. On the opposite, if MCH needs a buff, then so do BRD and DNC. There is no in between. If the problem is that MCH is a selfish dps that doesn't compete with other selfish jobs (SAM VPR BLM), then BRD and DNC don't compete with other raid buffing jobs as well (MNK, DRG, NIN, etc). It's tomato and tomato, but i'll concede that DNC and BRD are more appreciated because they tend to bring the bigger raid buffs that melee selfish jobs can usually appreciate more, but that's just that, that's a bandaid, and it doesn't bring BRD and DNC even remotely on par with any other melee job either.

( if anything the irony is that EW/DT SMN has been doing the same output than rphys for better support with raise and literally zero skill ceiling... )

I don't know about cast times. If I wanted cast times I'd go play a caster. But there is definitely an argument being made to introduce some charged skills like iajutsu is on SAM. But this will hardly make a dent in the mobility of the job nor the constraints it will bring to it.

[KapraGoatmog]

[QUOTE=Valence;6556124]I've already said it in another thread but I'll reiterate, and perhaps this is a hot take, but I do think way harsher punishment for dying could be a path worth exploring.

we dont need ffxiv to become wow. really not ok with sacrificing women at se to rape, sa, and suicide just to have jap wow

[Keichi]

How would people feel about mch becoming the only phys ranged with cast times?
Since bard/dancer have buffs, their low dps is more justified
but giving mch cast times (not every ability mind you) would ideally allow them to tune mch around sam/viper/blm levels
i personally think the ranged phys tax is stupid as hell, but they seem adamant about keeping it.

See no advangte with that. Ok, the cast time could be justifyed as a form of re-load the gun or the device at the hips.
But, given him to much cast time, would make him practicly into a caster to (ok, it could be similary to Samurai or Reaper, who has some casting to).

In addition, remind me this very much at the time, where Bard had exactly that (i heared, it had a time, where he used mp and had a lot of casting time to).

Mch could need some rework with the skills (flamethrower feels useless, you press it one time and can do nothing for some seconds). But making him a caster, wouldnt work good (i liked the proc system, back at the hw times, but that has dancer now and at part, the archer to)

[KapraGoatmog]

See no advangte with that. Ok, the cast time could be justifyed as a form of re-load the gun or the device at the hips.
But, given him to much cast time, would make him practicly into a caster to (ok, it could be similary to Samurai or Reaper, who has some casting to).

In addition, remind me this very much at the time, where Bard had exactly that (i heared, it had a time, where he used mp and had a lot of casting time to).

Mch could need some rework with the skills (flamethrower feels useless, you press it one time and can do nothing for some seconds). But making him a caster, wouldnt work good (i liked the proc system, back at the hw times, but that has dancer now and at part, the archer to)

play a caster if you're so down bad for having to stand in place. Mch is not a jerk it in the corner kind of job, its meant to be a ranged job that can move.