Regarding Dungeon Feedback: Don’t Listen to People Who Don’t Know How to Play

[SekiaTa1ga]

The problem with your position is multifold.

1.First and foremost, people who don't like the difficulty know exactly how to play the game as it was designed and has existed for every single expac until this. You are asking them to play a different game.

2. No one is asking for content which is set aside to be challenging to be not available to you. Everyone wants you to have content for you. These folks want content for them consistent with the entire game up to this point, and your position seeks to deny them of that.

3. People aren't queuing for daily roulettes for multiple reasons related to Dawntrail dungeons.

A. Toxicity is much higher with votekicks, performance pressure and impatience.

B. Performance anxiety demotivates people from queuing with jobs they aren't comfortable with, and especially those with cast times.

Finally, and probably most important, FFXIV has a reputation for being a "big tent" game that tries to support all playstyles, andvthis is a drastic deviation from thst.

Older players, non gamers, disabled players, those who have any kind of challenge are being told "you and your subscription are not wanted".

This is the most non self-aware post I've seen in awhile; like a literal giant red flag that you don't know what you're talking about, to the point where I also know *you* know that you don't know what you're talking about and was just winging it in the hopes that you were correct.

The only expansion DT is harder than IMO is Endwalker. SHB, Stormblood, ARR are all more difficult or at the very least comparable and don't EVEN get me started on Heavensward. If you're going to try to feign knowledge on something to try and make a point, atleast do the tiniest bit of research first.

[Caitamm]

This is the most non self-aware post I've seen in awhile; like a literal giant red flag that you don't know what you're talking about, to the point where I also know *you* know that you don't know what you're talking about and was just winging it in the hopes that you were correct.

The only expansion DT is harder than IMO is Endwalker. SHB, Stormblood, ARR are all more difficult or at the very least comparable and don't EVEN get me started on Heavensward. If you're going to try to feign knowledge on something to try and make a point, atleast do the tiniest bit of research first.

Unfortunately, the person you are replying to can't be argued with. In a different thread they said they were confident that well over 10% of players are unhappy with current content. In the same sentence, they acknowledged that the statement was also pure speculation.

[Jaxtaro]

Unfortunately, the person you are replying to can't be argued with. In a different thread they said they were confident that well over 10% of players are unhappy with current content. In the same sentence, they acknowledged that the statement was also pure speculation.

Way to be utterly incapable of subtlety and honesty at the same time.

[Jaxtaro]

This is the most non self-aware post I've seen in awhile; like a literal giant red flag that you don't know what you're talking about, to the point where I also know *you* know that you don't know what you're talking about and was just winging it in the hopes that you were correct.

The only expansion DT is harder than IMO is Endwalker. SHB, Stormblood, ARR are all more difficult or at the very least comparable and don't EVEN get me started on Heavensward. If you're going to try to feign knowledge on something to try and make a point, atleast do the tiniest bit of research first.

Or...conversely, you overestimate the difficulty of those expansions based on nostalgaic feelings. There is noting from ARR to EW which is on par with Vanguard and Beyond, especially Tender Valley or Strayborough Deadwalk. Not a single thing. The things that were being complained about in ARR were the Coerthas dungeons, and at worst Wanderer's palace and none of them were ever on par with DT dungeons. The HW stuff was basically Atherochemical facility and "Sloppppeh. " Stormblood was mostly limited to Ghymlit Dark.


There is nothing in ShB or EW that even comes close to the last few duties. Being in denial or looking back with rose colored glasse doesn't change it.

The reason that some of you guys keep making incorrect assumptions is because you seem incapable of registering that someone can do the content, enjoy the content (Strayborough Deadwalk is my favorite dungeon in the game, and I pretty much love all DT dungeons) and still acknowledge that there are plenty of people struggling and want them to have content for them.


Since you quoted me, I will assume you read that I am only concerned with MSQ 4 man content and feel that Valigarmatha and Arcadion are both fine.

[jdtuggey]

Or...conversely, you overestimate the difficulty of those expansions based on nostalgaic feelings.

Your perspective only considers these expansions currently.
I think Sekia meant these expansions when they were current.
Then, like, it looks more like a constant downwards slope and endwalker was the bottom of it, Dawntrail is just slightly nudging it back up the other way.
At least, that's how I remember it.
This game was effing brutal in the past lol.
That perspective feels also more relevant to the topic.

On the other hand, if she really did mean the expansions in their current state, I mean.... I did Xelphatol today as a tank with another mentor as healer, and we were both really surprised by a line AOE that came out of the second boss like, instantly ? .3 secs cast, barely lol.
Healer instantly died, and it hit me for 50% hp. I didn't even see it coming out. Like, maybe we were missing a mechanic ?
But at the same time, I tried to figure it out, and I couldn't, something I would never say about modern content.
You always know what's up when you get one shot if you pay attention nowadays.
Same with the damage output lol, it was completely unexpected.
Not that it was particularly hard either, but Dawntrail isn't either. :P

There's also like... Stone Vigil ? I don't know if they tuned it in Dawntrail, but man that dungeon is brutal.
Healers barely have a kit at all at that point, and the trash pulls just chew tanks. It's not difficult per se, but it's clearly harder than Dawntrail content, or used to be in endwalker.
Am leveling my war right now, at level 95 with like... item level 640, healer doesn't even need to heal me and barely needs to heal the party ? And this is in like, the latest dungeon I can do, wormor zoqmor or w/e.
Is that really hard ? #doubt

And I mean, I don't know if you want to include alliance raids, but the ivalice raids are pretty annoying. :P
Myths is an absolute joke compared to that. Ivalice is a thing I haven't done since EW tho, maybe, again, that they adjusted it ?

Like, there's a lot of janky content, relics from the past when the game was harder, and they haven't done gold standard pass on everything yet.

I know you have good intentions, but hmm... Road to hell is paved with those I guess ? :P

[Jaxtaro]

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Except it doesn't...a lot of factors were considered, not just as the jobs and tuning were at the time, but also the level of players' experience and comfort in general, and I specifically pointed out the Coerthas dungeons, which includes Stone Vigil, which is my favorite old school dungeon, as well as Aurum Vale, Dzamael Darkhold and Cutter's Cry as the stuff that people struggled with the most, and I don't know how many times I have to point out that I think that 8 man duties such as Valigarmatha and the AAC fights are fine for the most part.

I'm not saying the content was easy, but it is certainly not on par with DT, especially the last 5 dungeons.

We tend to overstate our accomplishments, which is what leads to this kind of romantic view of how hard things that weren't all that rough "back in the day". As a veteran of High End Everquest during it's heyday, which is the MMO which had an end zone that wasn't cleared until the next expansion, and the subsequent one had a boss that was killed by 2 guilds gamewide (minebwas one of them) I know exactly what that entails.

You're talking about levelling your warrior, and we all know how warriors are currently, but I'm curious, have you finished DT content yet? Are you speaking from experience? I can't imagine anyone comparing Stone Vigil to Stayborough Deathwalk.

[jdtuggey]

You're talking about levelling your warrior, and we all know how warriors are currently, but I'm curious, have you finished DT content yet? Are you speaking from experience? I can't imagine anyone comparing Stone Vigil to Stayborough Deathwalk.

Brother, take a minute to open lodestone and look up my character. I have PLD, VPR, SGE, SMN, SCH and MNK leveled at 100 right now. They're all fairly geared too. ;o
I have 5 crafters at 100, 2 gatherers at 100. There's two classes I never touched, the rest is all 80 and up ? My latest achieve is for clearing M4 10 times.
I have a transaction for a server transfer dating back to September 2014, that's not even a year after release, I have 3 years of accumulated sub time, and when I sub, am active on the game.
I've been active during all expansions while they were current.
Like, none of this is to write home about either. I'm not even especially good at the game. I'd say I'm slightly above average ? My character is nothing special either. ;P
Am not looking to brag either, but if you're gonna doubt....
I have not struggled more with any of these classes than with warrior. This game is easy at the level of content we're talking about, including dawntrail, and you insult me with that post lol.
Not sure why you doubt me when you can just... Look it up yourself. :P
The more I see you post, the more I doubt your intentions. You aren't really serving your cause right now.
You might use prettier words, but you're starting to sound pretty nasty even through that.
If you wanted to convince me that I'm right and that person who told you you don't know what you're talking about is also right, you couldn't do a better job at it if you tried.

Do you need me to record dungeon runs to prove what am saying ? lol.
"We tend to overstate our achievements"
Like ... ufffffffffffffffffffff x_x

I can already see the "you belong in savage and ultimates" posts. No, I don't.
I don't have time and don't want to commit to these.
I'm an actual casual player that has been loyal to ffxiv for 10 years.
If anyone could tell if something is harder compared to other things or periods in the game, I feel like am pretty well positioned to evaluate that, as long as we're not talking high-end raiding.

[Jaxtaro]

Settle down, I just asked you a question, which could have 3asily been answered with a "yes". I have no interest in profile sniffing, and only wanted to know the one thing.

It's not really helpful to keep speculating on what is gonna be said, or taking a simple question as an insult, just have a conversation.

[jdtuggey]

Settle down, I just asked you a question, which could have 3asily been answered with a "yes". I have no interest in profile sniffing, and only wanted to know the one thing.

It's not really helpful to keep speculating on what is gonna be said, or taking a simple question as an insult, just have a conversation.

It's not really helpful to spectulate downwards about people and what they tell you either. It's not really helpful to speculate about queue times. It's not really helpful to translate your experience across everyone's, and it's not really helpful to persist in your error when like, half a dozen people tell you you're wrong. I would've realized that maybe I don't have the full picture at some point. You told me flat out we tend to lie about these things, thus communicating to me that you're considering whether am a liar, and you don't even see a problem with that. Honestly, your question could just not have been asked. It was rude man. You prefer telling me that than assume you might have it wrong when like, half a dozen people tell you you're wrong.

I'm not fired up or anything. I'm losing patience with the disingenuity, selfishness, lack of perspective and rudeness hiding behind your pretty words.
I gave you credit, you need to ask these rude questions before you give me some. This isn't an honest exchange. That is a lie. Just stop man.

[Jinglypockets]

Are you speaking from experience? I can't imagine anyone comparing Stone Vigil to Stayborough Deathwalk.

My wipes per run in Stone Vigil is way higher than in Strayborough. It's not even close.

How many times have you run Strayborough? It's not hard once you know how it works. It's hard to get through the first boss without getting hit, but getting hit is more annoying than punishing. The other two bosses are super easy.